General Music Chat

All the fours! All is then in sync.

If then that is the case then why so much waffle on it? 361 replies that mean nothing, 4444 views that take up server space and mislead anyone who has the mind to read it because no one REALLY knows anything.

On the nail. we'll find out when we get there. Probably the best quote this thread has received since 03 Sep 2009 @ 04:32 am.

Heck we've even got a sermon being based on it. I'm starting to think I have every musical chance, and I really do mean that, you can quote me ok.

My opinion means nothing neither does anyone else's.

Chippy the point was that nobody's opinion matters. What does matter is what the bible says.

What the bible says is what matters to people that believe in the bible. That's really what you meant, isn't it Paul?... I don't believe that you would lay a blanket statement out like that knowing there are other people on this forum who don't believe in your faith. You've proven to be cool by me, like George, and I respect your faith in Jesus and the bible. There are a lot of really good lessons to be learned in the bible. Be careful not to disrespect others that do not believe what you believe though.

I posted before that it is useless to argue a belief because it is what it is -- A BELIEF!! Beliefs come down to what an individual person feels is right and good in their own heart. Therefore, how could a belief be wrong or incorrect or improper? Christians base their beliefs on the life of Jesus and the bible. I don't believe in that, but I'm not going to say you are wrong for what you believe, as you implied above.

Read Matthew 7,1-6:

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

This is one of those good life lessons that the bible is full of, but may not be significant spiritually. If not believing the bible makes me a dog or a pig, so be it. At least I'm loyal to the people that I care about, and I'm fed well. Who has that squirrel sandwich anyway?!

No one really knows what lies ahead for us in the afterlife, if anything is going to be there at all. I agree with what you wrote in the quote Chippy -- all this debate, time spent, effort in proving everyone wrong, etc, is all for nothing. As Chip has written in the past, "bollocks" to this whole thread.

I haven't heard back from anyone who has died... No dead people have come and shared the truth of the universe and divinity with me... No spectors or spirits have magically appeared to tell me what is on the "other side"... Not even Jesus...

Believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want. I'm finished with this thread.

What the bible says is what matters to people that believe in the bible. That's really what you meant, isn't it Paul?...

That is the case. What the bible says matters to believers yes. I actually believe, since your asking, that it should be the final authority for everyone. I also believe that Jesus is the only way to obtain eternal life.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What really happened there is that I got in the zone with Craig and basically forgot anyone else was here. It was at that point mostly believers engaging.

Read Matthew 7,1-6:

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

I don't want to force it on anyone, but i am always willing to share it if you seek it. I just ask that you show me the courtesy of not judging me as I do not judge you for your beliefs.

That sounds suspiciously close to the "judge not lest ye be judged yourselves" verse people often misuse. Because we are to "rebuke a brother in err" and "rightfully divide the word of God"

Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

And if you read the rest of that chapter, Matt 7. You'll see that while we aren't the judge we can tell if someone is in sin. Other verses command us to Rightfully divide - II Tim 2:15 and rebuke someone who is living in sin.

II thes 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.....

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

So while we are not to judge we are to study and figure out what the bible says regarding different sins. Then we are to admonish our brother about it. That would be both me to Craig and Craig to me through out this thread. We do that. It's not fun. It's not easy. I don't like it when this happens....

Why the f**k do you have to write a fing book on this horseshit?

Are you trying to scare people off with your religious rhetoric?

I am a christian and I cringe when I read this huge amount of utter horseshit.

The bible covers this pretty well and none of you are priests etc. You think you get extra milk and cookies for being loud and obnoxious about religion? I don't think so..

Talk the talk, pseudo-writers but make sure you can walk the walk, else you might be the next contestant on the godly game show and lemme tell ya, the host he doesn't like to f**k about with loud mouths and lemmings.

I think I just saw him strike one down recently and believe me, it wasn't pretty. You reap what you sow.

Before you throw too many more rocks, make sure you aren't living in a glass house.

But it is our duty.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

"I am not a number, I am a free man." (The Prisoner #6).

I was wondering if it would get deleted. I guess we all behaved enough.

Here is your answer chippy.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLFhPGkq9sQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ziKfjHWqZ0

Those are 2 of the 9 videos I've posted so far.
This is posted in the video description of each

This is the Westside Church of Christ singing Hymns of praise to Jesus Christ our savior. We are located at
1705 Starview Dr
Salem, VA 24153

Our website http://www.westsidecofc-salem.com/

Speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord (Ephesians 5:19).

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord (Colossians 3:16).

Why do some churches teach that it is wrong to use musical instruments to accompany our singing during Christian worship assemblies when the above verses don't precisely forbid it?

I think most will agree that God has specifically instructed (even "commanded") Christians to sing as part of the worship that He expects (even "demands"). Since He has not commanded nor even suggested to us to play musical instruments in worship, we can be absolutely certain that if we don't use musical instruments, then He will be pleased with Christians singing if their worship comes from the heart.

I think if I stopped playing the pipes, Jesus would slap you with a trout.

Bizarre.... yet somehow... hilarious.

Ever self perpetuating thread this. Right now I am starting to think that the owner of BM has a vested interest in this particular conversation?

Here's what I think Paul. You have a VERY LARGE following on line it would seem..

How about attacking your fans with all of this?

After all you have said that it is your duty to do so. Try posting some of this as a preamble to your songs. Heck you could even speak the words before playing a particular song.

I don't like people who seem to assume before asking. No one truly has asked in this last month, no they just assume. I find that incredibly rude frankly.

I'm a fan of your music Paul. I am not a fan of someone who takes the time to pressure people day in, day out and misses the fact that they could reach a wider audience should they decide to on YouTube for example.

YouTube = 1000's of people. Bandmix = 7 and decreasing.
Very best to you Paul.

But it is our duty.
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Chippy, this thread was started to keep this discussion in one thread. So, yes, self perpetuating it is, but better here than in all the other threads. this one, at least, tells you what to look forward to if you decide to peruse it.

I think if I stopped playing the pipes, Jesus would slap you with a trout.

You know CP, I think that would make me a believer!!

What the bible says is what matters to people that believe in the bible. That's really what you meant, isn't it Paul?...

That is the case. What the bible says matters to believers yes. I actually believe, since your asking, that it should be the final authority for everyone. I also believe that Jesus is the only way to obtain eternal life.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What really happened there is that I got in the zone with Craig and basically forgot anyone else was here. It was at that point mostly believers engaging.

Read Matthew 7,1-6:

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

I don't want to force it on anyone, but i am always willing to share it if you seek it. I just ask that you show me the courtesy of not judging me as I do not judge you for your beliefs.

That sounds suspiciously close to the "judge not lest ye be judged yourselves" verse people often misuse. Because we are to "rebuke a brother in err" and "rightfully divide the word of God"

Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

And if you read the rest of that chapter, Matt 7. You'll see that while we aren't the judge we can tell if someone is in sin. Other verses command us to Rightfully divide - II Tim 2:15 and rebuke someone who is living in sin.

II thes 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.....

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

So while we are not to judge we are to study and figure out what the bible says regarding different sins. Then we are to admonish our brother about it. That would be both me to Craig and Craig to me through out this thread. We do that. It's not fun. It's not easy. I don't like it when this happens....

Why the f**k do you have to write a fing book on this horseshit?

Are you trying to scare people off with your religious rhetoric?

I am a christian and I cringe when I read this huge amount of utter horseshit.

The bible covers this pretty well and none of you are priests etc. You think you get extra milk and cookies for being loud and obnoxious about religion? I don't think so..

Talk the talk, pseudo-writers but make sure you can walk the walk, else you might be the next contestant on the godly game show and lemme tell ya, the host he doesn't like to f**k about with loud mouths and lemmings.

I think I just saw him strike one down recently and believe me, it wasn't pretty. You reap what you sow.

Before you throw too many more rocks, make sure you aren't living in a glass house.

But it is our duty.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Lest we forget:

Romans 8:7

the sinful mind[a] is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.

Lord knows arguing religious practice is as foolish as washing your car in a thunderstorm, but each of us should remember that even in this forum, we are in his church. We should respect each other as Christ respected those he knew would never truly understand his message.

hmm. I hope I don't come across as disrespectful in my posts. If so, please let me know - I may have some blind-spots that need someone else to point out for me.

In any case, I personally think arguing religious practice (do you mean doctrine?) is advantageous. It's because we suffer from sin, we can't see every aspect or shortcoming of our argument and more often than not, it takes someone else's strength in a topic to help us see our own weakness in the matter so we can address it.

I certainly don't advocate shouting or demeaning others. But no one should take offense if temperatures rise - that's natural - frustration always sets in at some point in an argument because often times we use the same langauge from another perspective, so we often talk past each other. Recognizing that is essential in guarding ourselves from being puffed up in an argument.

What's that old saying? Man is the only creature whose head puffs up when you pat him on the back?

I think you have been respectful Chris.

Hey... I wonder if Rev Mike has been reading these posts?

Hey... I wonder if Rev Mike has been reading these posts?

hmm. iono.

I enjoyed reading your posts about musical instruments in worship. Your not also an exclusive Psalmist though? I always put the two together, but then again I haven't really spent too much time contemplating it as my church as my church is actually an exclusive psalm singing w/o instruments congregation. We're kind of an anomoly in our presbytery and might I add, frowned down upon... I haven't come to a personal "absolute" conviction on the matter of the exclusivity of Psalms, but I can appreciate some of the reasoning behind it, and I do agree on the instruments aspect as you do.

Chris

Wow Chris I never would have thought somebody else here would be on the same page with me about instruments. Ironically I recently heard about a Presbyterian church who sang only psalms. A member of that church commented on one of our Church of Christ A Capella song videos. It was new to me then.

It looks to that the psalms hymns and spiritual songs in Colossians 3:16 covers the uninspired songwriters work.

"I am not a number, I am a free man." (The Prisoner #6).