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What is your religion?

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#83468 by Crip2Nite
Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:56 am
There have got to be plenty of boobies in the crowd to feed the masses! :P

#83471 by neanderpaul
Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:32 am
BobdoB wrote:you all seem to be fighting adamantly for your own beliefs, why cant you all just agree that we will all find out when we die?

I'm just quoting scripture. My opinion means nothing neither does anyone else's. We will find out then. Then it will be too late to correct. Or you can trust the promises in the bible. That it contains what we need to please him.

#83472 by Chippy
Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:01 am
"I am not a number, I am a free man." (The Prisoner #6).
Last edited by Chippy on Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:40 am, edited 1 time in total.

#83475 by neanderpaul
Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:48 am
Chippy the point was that nobody's opinion matters. What does matter is what the bible says.

#83479 by Chippy
Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:57 am
I refer the right honourable gentleman to the reply I gave some moments ago. :D

neanderpaul wrote:Chippy the point was that nobody's opinion matters. What does matter is what the bible says.

#83491 by BobdoB
Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:43 pm
Chris4Blues wrote:
BobdoB wrote:
Chris4Blues wrote:
CraigMaxim wrote:Chris or Paul,

You believe that "God's Word" cannot contain any possibility for error. But in saying this, we all understand that you are actually referring to the Bible, as being God's word. Just as if He had written it with His own hand, correct?

Are we speaking of the original inspirations which were transcribed into Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek?

Or do you extend this to translations as well?

Such as an English version of the Bible?

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Craig,

Speaking for myself, I hold to the 1646 version of the Westminster Confession of Faith. To spare others having to sift through it, I refer you to the first section which describes very concisely my own position concerning the infallability of Scripture, and the fallable agents He used to produce it, and His ongoing preservation of it. How scripture is preserved is a faith committment on my part. But we can discuss it after you've carefully read Chapter 1, if you're interested that is.

http://www.reformed.org/documents/index ... faith.html


regards,
Chris


Ok, so that website says that these bible books are the word of God. So? Even if written in 1646, it is still a cannon of man. Some of the books of Apocrypha are still in the bible depending on your choice of denominations.


Well, it's a confession, not a cannon - you know, a summary of the biblical doctrines found in the Bible. Interesting story behind the Westminster Divines - it was a council devoted to investigating and summarizing what the Bible says.

Anyways, Craig asked what either Paul or myself believed and there you have it - what I believe. We never got into why I believe it, which is a different story.

BTW, you scrolled down, correct? or did you just read the first paragraph and bullet points counting the books?

Chris


My question is based on the fact that by using that example, you EMPHASIZE Craig's point about men being involved in deciding what books are in the bible

#83503 by heyyouwiththebass
Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:52 pm
This is a useless thread.

#83506 by jimmydanger
Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:02 pm
Yes, sort of like the one on your shirt that you pull off and your shirt unravels.

#83576 by BobdoB
Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:54 pm
jimmydanger wrote:Yes, sort of like the one on your shirt that you pull off and your shirt unravels.


Interesting analogy

#83578 by philbymon
Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:56 pm
I was just thinking the same thing, BobdoB.

Wasn't that thread necessary to hold the shirt together? Now that it's unravelled, of course, then yes - it's useless.

#83584 by Chippy
Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:40 pm
"I am not a number, I am a free man." (The Prisoner #6).
Last edited by Chippy on Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:41 am, edited 1 time in total.

#83588 by Sir Jamsalot
Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:57 pm
BobdoB wrote:My question is based on the fact that by using that example, you EMPHASIZE Craig's point about men being involved in deciding what books are in the bible


My view again, as summarized in the WCF, is that God involves men (the Church) in the preservation of His word. God does the preserving by means of fallen man and providence - not un-aided, autonomous man.

Per the apocrypha, et.al. The apocrypha contains elements that if held, would be internally inconsistent with the whole of the Bible. Because God cannot lie, elements that result in internal conflict can be assumed to be extra-biblical, which is one reason why it was excluded.

#83598 by BobdoB
Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:10 pm
Chris4Blues wrote:
BobdoB wrote:My question is based on the fact that by using that example, you EMPHASIZE Craig's point about men being involved in deciding what books are in the bible


My view again, as summarized in the WCF, is that God involves men (the Church) in the preservation of His word. God does the preserving by means of fallen man and providence - not un-aided, autonomous man.

Per the apocrypha, et.al. The apocrypha contains elements that if held, would be internally inconsistent with the whole of the Bible. Because God cannot lie, elements that result in internal conflict can be assumed to be extra-biblical, which is one reason why it was excluded.


I understand the meaning you present, and I am not disputing your argument, but I am saying that if God aided in making the men who were involved in making the bible messangers for Himself, then why exclude the possibility that he may send messengers into our lives even today whose truth may not hold with some, but may resonate with others? It happened even in the time of Christ. The very people Jesus came to save rejected him, and to this day continue to reject him, while the gentiles, you and I and most Christians, took the message and ran with it. Now, however, zealots continue to pervert the word and en mass take whole congregations into the gates of hell if you believe that we would be punished for the misinformation of our teachers.

Lord knows arguing religious practice is as foolish as washing your car in a thunderstorm, but each of us should remember that even in this forum, we are in his church. We should respect each other as Christ respected those he knew would never truly understand his message.

someone used the analogy of washing feet. I agree, Christ lowered himself to the lowest rank to show his disciples that to be an effective leader, you must always show the utmost humility and patience.

#83600 by BobdoB
Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:17 pm
neanderpaul wrote:
BobdoB wrote:you all seem to be fighting adamantly for your own beliefs, why cant you all just agree that we will all find out when we die?

I'm just quoting scripture. My opinion means nothing neither does anyone else's. We will find out then. Then it will be too late to correct. Or you can trust the promises in the bible. That it contains what we need to please him.


Your opinion means nothing, yes, you're not putting in opinion. Your interpretation, however, may differ from others. Everyone knows there is a lot of scripture that can have multiple meanings as needed to heal the spirit.

#83601 by BobdoB
Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:19 pm
Chippy wrote:I did reply to your message regarding MUSIC on another thread. Perhaps you might search for that.


Couldn't find it. what thread?

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