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#66585 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Thu May 07, 2009 4:29 am
WRONG ANSWER,
YA GOTTA BE KIDDING RIGHT.



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#66626 by Kramerguy
Thu May 07, 2009 1:44 pm
I listened to "Dark Side of the Moon" on my way to work today...

The solo on "Time" makes the song. without it, it would be a good song, but the solo is what makes it effin great.

Solo's aren't dead. Imagination is just in short supply these days.

#66630 by Paleopete
Thu May 07, 2009 2:07 pm
Kramer, I gotta agree on that. Gilmour is one of those guys who can make a solo sound like it just grew there. Everything he does fits the song perfect, which is why any time I cover Pink Floyd tunes I try to duplicate his leads. Anything else just seems like blasphemy.

George Harrison was the same way, and Mark Knopfler is very close, although he does a lot of leads that sound more like jams than specific solos tailored to the songs. "Sultans of Swing" is a perfect example, try playing that one with anything but a note for note copy of his original lead...doesn't work...Harrison though, had a knack for fitting a perfect lead into a song just like Gilmour does. I have copies of both Traveling Wilburys CDs, his lead work was amazing. Often quite simple, but perfect for the song every time...like it just grew there...

"Time" is the same way, do anything else and it will kill that song. I've done a couple of Floyd tunes with different bands, always duplicate the leads. Anything else I try to do just doesn't sound right.

#66653 by Hayden King
Thu May 07, 2009 9:24 pm
Gilmore puts more in a single note than some do in an entire lead and has to my knowledge never done a "hot lick" in his life...
he is truly the King of expressive guitarist and one of my few musical artist idol's!

www.myspace.com/blunderingeye
www.myspace.com/445175001
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/6039/

"putting your head in a hole means you left your ass is in the air"

#66670 by HowlinJ
Fri May 08, 2009 1:04 am
giongi2 wrote:Steve Vai is a very profficient guitarist,Amazing showman etc, BUT. He would be out of his league playing with somebody like Gay Burton.


:shock: :shock: :shock:
You damn right Vai would be out of his league! Steve dont swing that way!(I hope) :wink:
HJ

#66683 by philbymon
Fri May 08, 2009 3:04 am
Ya know, since most ppl on here are rockers, this'll prolly ruffle a few feathers, but I got tired of expecting guitar solos back in the '80's. I like a huge variety of genres & instruments, & would rather hear that variety on more than one instrument with endless effects.

I notice that the more popular modern stuff has lost the need for any leads, though, preferring to use hammering power chords, in newer rock, or doing without completely, as in new r&b & other stuff. It seems that all ppl care about anymore is "the groove," that never-ending drone of rhythm that simply bores me to tears. The only popular genre holding onto guitar leads is country, which seems to irritate most of the guitar players in here. That, too, puzzles me, since it's the only genre holding so tightly to some ppl's favorite instrument, & they usually use them very well, within the context of the genre. Dwight Yokum, Alan Jackson, Kentucky Headhunters, Sawyer Brown, Brad Paisely & a host of other country acts could challenge most of the players in these forums. Of course, with the exception of Alan Jackson, these acts are more from the '70's rock genre than country in their roots, which makes the lack of popularity with the "classic rock" crowd in here even more puzzling.

Perhaps it's just the stereotypical idea of "country" that turns so many ppl off.

Many of these tunes could be used in a classic rock setting, as they fit so well in with Skynrd, Marshal Tucker, Eagles, & other southern/folk rock songs. And why not? COUNTRY bands are doing it with classic rock!

If you want more guitar solos, that's where they are.

#66692 by ratsass
Fri May 08, 2009 3:28 am
Yeah, but you have to put up with the twangy vocals. :)

#66694 by ted_lord
Fri May 08, 2009 3:39 am
ratsass wrote:Yeah, but you have to put up with the twangy vocals. :)

yah when I hear a country song the comment is usually, I wish people would stop killing cats in a studio.
as for guitar solo's I wish people would either learn how to play with wah and other effects and make them sound good or don't use the sh*t to cover your bad ability, heh and I'm one to talk, but when I actually start tryin to record guitar it'll be ok

#66697 by philbymon
Fri May 08, 2009 3:47 am
ratsass wrote:Yeah, but you have to put up with the twangy vocals. :)


Since when does a lead guitarist ever listen to the singer? Most of the ones I play with step all over him almost as bad as the harmonica players!
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#66701 by ratsass
Fri May 08, 2009 4:11 am
philbymon wrote:Since when does a lead guitarist ever listen to the singer? Most of the ones I play with step all over him almost as bad as the harmonice players!


Funny thing is, last week I filled in with this band because their lead guitarist couldn't make it. On several songs, the lead vocalist was coming in when there was supposed to be a lead solo, so I guess we were just backwards from most situations. :)

#66703 by Paleopete
Fri May 08, 2009 6:09 am
Philby you sound like you're talking about me. Yeah I know it wasn't intentional, but I hate country. despise it, and always have.

However, I do agree that there are some really good guitar players in that field. I'm not familiar with any of the names you mentioned except Kentucky Headhunters, since I've played a couple of their songs, well I've heard most of the names but couldn't tell you who it is if you played it for me, one I do know of is Vince Gill. Saw him on Eric Clapton's Crossroads, the guy is a killer guitar player. I still wouldn't go out and buy one of his recordings, listening to country is very distressing to me, I hate it and always have since I was a kid.

It's like scraping a metal comb on a chalkboard...not only the nasal, backwoods hillbilly sounding vocals, but the general feel of it. It very strongly gets on my nerves. I guess it kind of sucks in a way, because I know there are some excellent musicians there, and not only guitar players. I've heard things on juke boxes in bars that had some killer guitar or keyboard work, I just can't stand to listen to it.

Anyway, yeah you're right, some of the country guitar players are excellent. And probably more leads there these days than anywhere else. The little bit of new rock I've heard sucks, I haven't heard a good new rock tune that really stood out in years, except for a few things John Mayer has done, he's probably the only decent songwriter out there right now that I know of, as far as new acts. I don't care for a lot of his songs, but they are still good songs, whether I like them or not. Well put together, good lyrics, he uses a lot of chords I can't touch, has a very distinct voice, but the style of some of his songwriting just doesn't appeal to me. Others are excellent...Great guitar player too.

A couple of others have done some decent stuff, King's X is an excellent band, Whoever recorded "Shine" did a good job of that one, and I've heard others here and there that I couldn't name, but overall...mostly dullsville.

Most of the other new stuff I've heard is usually bands that sound just like the latest big hit, like all the "grunge" bands that appeared a few years ago. Listen to one you've heard them all. Ditto for female singers, everybody since MTV got started sounds just like Madonna or Cyndi Lauper. Cheryl Crow is the only exception I know of. And she's not only a good looking singer, she is also a very good bass player and plays some guitar too, rhythm I know, possibly lead but I didn't see it. I didn't think anything about her until I caught a Soundstage show on PBS, and saw her play guitar and bass. Before the show was over I had a lot of respect for her. And several of her songs featured her guitar player doing some pretty good fretwork.

Country though...YUKK...good guitar players aside, I just can't listen to it. Makes me wanna throw sh*t...and it's really depressing too.

And no, you're not ruffling my feathers, I actually agree with you. Playing in Louisiana and Texas I hear country on the juke boxes at every gig. I couldn't tell you who plays what songs, but I've heard some really good guitar work at times. It's just not something I can sit and listen to. I only listen to country when I'm forced to or have to learn songs for a band.

Hayden - Gilmour is probably my all time favorite guitar player, and was a big influence on my own playing. Along with Johnny Winter, Duanne Allman, Eric Clapton, Billy Gibbons and Joe Walsh. He said in an interview I read that he never plays fast because his hands just weren't made to move fast. So he tries to play melodic. And does a great job of it, he should be the one who got the nickname "Slowhand", not Eric Clapton. And if you haven't heard it, try to find "Standing Around Crying" from the Paul Rogers "Muddy Waters Blues" CD, his Muddy Waters tribute. Some of my favorite Gilmour guitar. You hit the nail on the head, he says more in one note than most players get out of a whole song...

#66704 by ted_lord
Fri May 08, 2009 6:55 am
yah gilmour is one of those guys who is a timeless master, might not be the most technical or fastest, but he fathered modern rock by bringing the blues into a more emotional state of being, and melded it with the jam band sound of the day, they didn't plan on being a jam band they just wanted to make good music instead they made a icon that will stand for years to come, guitarists are always happy when they realize a gilmour solo, because they are so iconic and perfect, of course my favorite solo is really a pedal steel guitar sooooo....I'll never hear high hopes played properly :(

#66705 by ratsass
Fri May 08, 2009 7:06 am
People always thought I "hated" country music, because I never played it or listened to it. I just can't play it like it ought to be played because I just don't feel it. I can't listen to it for long on the radio or watch it for long on TV because after just a little while, I start zoning out and lose interest. I would love to be able to play some of those leads, but it's just not in my heart and soul, so I stick to what I know and love...Rock n Roll. If I see a live band playing country music, I can sit back and enjoy it all night (just keep the beer coming). I can, however, listen all day long to the Hellecasters. Those guys take country music way out of the box. If you haven't had a chance to listen to those guys, I suggest you give it a try (even you, Pete).
#66706 by Stringdancer
Fri May 08, 2009 8:58 am
ZXYZ wrote:The newest rock/metal music out there seems to have a lack of the familiar structure that was predominent for the majority of the 60s-90s. Am I behind the times?? Probably. I may still do lead solos (if you can call 'em that) anyway, just to be different. lol :P Do Y'all notice any lack of guitar solos in a lot of today's rock music? Or is it just my imagination?


Lead guitar solos dead? Not really just yours, it died long time ego you just haven't buried it yet.

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