General Music Chat

JimmyD

One of the things that originally made me start studying scripture was evolution - the other was abortion.

One - a 'theory' with no proof. Takes too much 'faith' to buy that malarky.

Two - mass murder of innocent children. Half of whom are women btw

yet people who support those two things are considered wise and compassionate.

yeah - I knew something was cockeyed in this world and so it is.

Talbot

Not much I can say to you Mike if you think evolution is just a theory with no proof. The theory of gravity is "just a theory", we still have no idea how it works exactly, but it is as real as evolution. In fact, the Theory of Evolution is one of the most tested and reliable theories ever devised, so much so that nearly every scientist and most educated people in the world believe it. But don't let that stop you, I'm sure YOD can explain gravity to you.

Kramer - get over it. It is not LEGAL for the fed creeps to steal our money and spend it on your favorite causes!

If you want to change the constitution there is a process for that. And not one of you damn people who want me to fund YOUR cause ever thought of using it. (it's called a constitutional convention)

What a load of Ayn Rand BS. The police, Fire, and Highways aren't in the C either, add libraries and public parks/recreation. (actually some of it is, but that is beside your and my points)- Special education is PART of the education system. By your argument, everyone should also educate their own, provide for their own, every damn person for themselves, and F the weak. Yeah, rand would be proud of you.

You have this ancient and outdated concept of the independent "maker" who doesn't need anyone else. The concept predates Rand, it goes back to the "social Darwinism" fallacy of the first Guided Age. The pre-industrial rulers probably had their own name and justification for the same concept.

The reality is that we do need each other. Complex tasks require skills built up over time. That cooperation is what we call "society". Without it we wouldn't be anything other than a few hunter gatherers.

Instead you said, "there ought to be a law." And now there is. For everything. How do you like the world you made?

That doesn't really even make sense. You are trying to sound clever and you missed the target by a mile, essentially put words in my mouth, linked them to something else not even part of the discussion, and then acted like you just pointed out my biggest flaw.. You basically said nothing, made a quip and are a poor debater for it.

As to 'retards?' I have a granddaughter who falls roughly in that space. And her family (including me) take care of her - like Americans! Real Americans - who pull their own weight.

More BS. Yeah, my best friend is black. So effing what? I call BS, if you had what I had, you would be crying like a 5-year old with a skinned knee for social services to help, because NOBODY, outside of independent wealth (90% of all wealth in the USA through inheretence BTW) could withstand the overall costs associated with just 10 years of autism, much less CP and worse conditions and most would go bankrupt on the medical bills alone, much less the educational needs.

You want to start a charity to help your favorite cause - go right ahead. I might even contribute. But start lobbying for the nazi pukes with the guns and jack boots to steal from me for your cause and you will find that I'm not very happy to comply.

And yet you have no problem with the same nazis taking the same $$ and applying them to fighting turrists, or giving it all away to banksters masquerading as legitimate businessmen, or perhaps is it the roads you drive on to get to work something you approve of? Well I could say why don't YOU go start a charity to have a road paved, because I don't agree with paying for paving... Your arguement isn't just insensitive, but it's inappropriate in that we are a society whether you like it or not, and all societies have collective and individual needs. You only care about the ones that serve you, and everything else is a freekin charity. Clearly you are not interested in being a part of a healthy society, nor deserving of it's benefits IMO.

Gee, I must be a mean old man eh?

Talbot

Actually, yes, you are. I think your words spell out loud and clear what kind of person you are. And I'm not buying your story about your disabled grandkid.. there's no way in hell you and your family provide everything and do not accept ANY program assistance, such as special ed, the short bus, social services such as occupational therapy, physical therapy, speech therapy, IU services, CHIP or medical assistance, etc....

And I'd bet your vagueness about the condition probably means it's some bratty kid with ADHD and that makes you an expert on special needs and autism when the reality is that the kid is just hyperactive and doesn't have any respect for you.

Good day a-hole

Not much I can say to you Mike if you think evolution is just a theory with no proof. The theory of gravity is "just a theory", we still have no idea how it works exactly, but it is as real as evolution. In fact, the Theory of Evolution is one of the most tested and reliable theories ever devised, so much so that nearly every scientist and most educated people in the world believe it. But don't let that stop you, I'm sure YOD can explain gravity to you.

I don't have to...science itself does a good job of disproving evolution. According the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, the universe has always been in a state of downward decay, not upward evolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

Throw a fish on the beach every day for a billion years and you will only have 365 billion fish skeletons.

And the missing link is still missing...



Evolution is the religion of fools. They have more faith in the unknown and unprovable than I ever will.

The police, Fire, and Highways aren't in the C either, add libraries and public parks/recreation.

and according to the Constitution, Police/Fire/libraries/parks fall under State and local government.

The Fed had to impose itself to start national parks under Teddy Roosevelt. Nothing wrong with the concept but now they are using that law to take away land from private owners, which goes against the Constitutional right to own property.

Special education is PART of the education system.

Which according to the way our nation was set up, is the charge of State and local government.

The Fed got involved and it has been corrupted by teaching political ideology of Socialist/Communist Union bosses instead of reading, writing, and arithmetic.

By your argument, everyone should also educate their own, provide for their own, every damn person for themselves, and F the weak. Yeah, rand would be proud of you.

I've never heard anyone but a liberal say F the weak.

Yet we are a nation that was started by people who believe we all have to take responsibility for our own lives and actions. What's wrong with that?

The reality is that we do need each other. Complex tasks require skills built up over time. That cooperation is what we call "society". Without it we wouldn't be anything other than a few hunter gatherers.

Yes, a very biblical concept which was started by when God told Moses that there would be one law for the rich and the poor. That, from the least to the greatest, we all have value for simply being made in His image.

It was Christians who stood against slavery, even when there were Christians on the other side of that debate.

It was Christians who started the Civil Rights movement, even if there were christians opposing them.

Is is Christians standing for the sanctity of innocent babies while the liberals say F the weak, F the innocent, F the babies!


But c'mon guys....can we call a truce? Neither Christians, nor I am an enemy to any of you. It would be best if we could relate as brothers in musical bliss.

But I can't let you go unopposed with religious bigotry, just as I wouldn't allow a klansman to say the N word around me either.

Could we stop dividing ourselves on religion? Would you mind railing against someone you actually know instead of scatter-shooting all of us with your black-paint gun?




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Cuts . . . you keep saying cuts . . . there ARE NO PFUCKING CUTS . . .

No budget & projected increases in spending that's all.

You simply cannot cut that which does not exist.


Cuts my ass . . .

What do you call this then??
$633 million cut from the Department of Education’s Special Education programs

I guess you feel "retards deserve NOTHING" ?

Cuts in Federal budget we a reduction in a scheduled increase in spending.

Scheduled increase in spending? Is that so difficult to comprehend ?

No we don't need each other.
All any man needs is a personal relationship with GOD.
This realm is fleeting. The next is permanent.

Jesus Christ is the only way.

There is no other.

"Just a THEORY"

(waiving away the smoke cloud)

(surveying the destruction) Wow.. lol

Correcting the Myths About Evolution
http://sciencebasedlife.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/correcting-the-myths-about-evolution/

We have SOME kids who are "dumb" because we have some states like Kansas and Texas who don't want to teach subjects like evolution.

Not True, I learned about Evolution in School here in Texas, and I learned about God in Church, here in Texas... I also learned that a positive correlation can exist between Creationism and evolution... They teach that In Texas, But, probably not in Michigan.

Kramer

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I'm all for dismantling the govt armed forces - they are being pointed at me these days. Yet they don't even protect our borders. No need for such a force.

nor do I support their ridiculous wars.

And no i don't scream for help from those govt freaks nor do I ever ask others to pay for what I think needs doing.

An example:
I supported the Rhodesians in their bid for independence from Britain. so I went over there and fought at their side. I didn't lobby the govt pigs to send YOUR kid over there.

And yes, I'm a mean gnarly old son of bitch. But I live my beliefs and i don't expect YOU to pay my way. Don't expect me to pay for yours.

Talbot

Mike
We are part of a society. I don't know if you refuse to believe it, or just don't like it, but you are as much a part of it as anyone else, like it or not.

This society is the collective of the people, our leaders, businesses, and most of all, the decisions that we ALL make.

Even in our so-called democracy, the decisions of the few powerful, and few wealthy, affect the majority of the people. Decisions like putting chemicals in our food. Decisions like dumping toxic waste in a river. Decisions like creating vaccines, and after-decisions like adding toxins to them to improve shelf life (and profits!).

I didn't make the decision to burn coal, our ancestors did. I didn't make the decision to dump that nuclear waste in a stream, one of our business leaders fathers' did. There's 1000's of unnecessary and toxic chemicals and other factors that AFFECT me. I didn't decide to poison my child with toxic vaccinations, the government FORCED me to do it. SOCIETY forced me to do it. They lied to me about the safety. They've shielded themselves from the fallout (can't sue for vaccine injuries for autism or aspergers).

And now, that same society that RUINED my child's life, WRECKED us financially, and changed our lives forever is telling me to SUCK IT UP?

Seriously, if you cannot understand my anger and bitterness towards those of you who HAVE IT EASY, then we got nothing to talk about. I don't have choices, I play the hand I'm dealt, and unfortunately for you, and society, that hand requires that society helps to the best of their ability to shoulder some of the burden they allowed to be created.

I don't have choices, I play the hand I'm dealt, and unfortunately for you, and society, that hand requires that society helps to the best of their ability to shoulder some of the burden they allowed to be created.

Society is not a collective, that is Marxist / Socialist/Communist terminology. We, as a society tend to separate, not collect. If that were not so then why do we have two parties in government with opposing views? And there are others that disagree with both.

Society is comprised of individuals. Individuals tend to gravitate to what their ideals are, not what some imaginary "collective" dictates. Stealing another mans wages IS a Marxist collective principle. You want help? You feel that government should become the sovereign. OK It is. So now you do not like it? This "sovereign or regime" claims that it wants to help the poor. But shouldn't you also be part of funding them? Then you should feel good. Don't you feel better having your finances taken from you so that you can participate in their Utopian dream state? They are making you part of the collective!

Your taxes are helping the ungodly establish their reign. You are financing the lazy, and the the reprobates of this society who feel that the wages of another mans hard work should belong to them. The government is the gun that holds them up and steals their wages. That is what you want. This people have rejected the living God, so now you are living under the ungodly who wish to take the place of God and adorn themselves with His attributes. These have thrown God out of the schools, they have thrown God out of the public squares, they have thrown God out of the institutions of "higher learning" they have thrown God out of our churches. They want God out of society altogether. And so it shall be. God gives us the government we want when we reject him. And now God is throwing us out of the America we once knew. And he is using complete morons to do it so that we shall soon understand that this is the hand of an angry God.

You should know by now that this is how the man/god operates. He takes your monies as well as other peoples money under the guise of being charitable, yet his charity does not help the poor, rather it enslaves them. And it punishes those who are barely making ends meet. This god/man wants to be your healer, he wants to be the designer of your morality, and he wants to be your savior. It is only going to get worse from this point. Lets have that collective society that you wish. We shall all be equal. We shall be hungry, we all shall be poor, we all shall own nothing. Not so? Then look at some of the communist socialist countries of this world. They are poor, they are hungry, and they are oppressed, for that is the way of the man/god.

God has taken the most stupid people on the planet and has given them rule over us in order to destroy America. We have thrown God out of America, and now God is taking America from us. The most stupid people on the planet are our rulers and they have been appointed to rule over us by the living God.

So you're saying God is stupid? Or just pissed off? Why do you stay here anyway, I'm sure you could find somewhere on the earth you would be happy. Or not.