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Considering Obama's own writings and expressions of his Islamic experience as a boy, please post your links to information which "debunks" opinions otherwise.

Your point is misapplied. We ARE to judge. Not a man's character or motives, which only God can change and know, but as Slacker pointed out, deeds are to be judged. Otherwise you would not have negative things to say about others on this forum if you did not judge their words.

I have discovered that if I beat others over the head with my religious convictions, sure enough I get a beating back with the same weapon,10 fold.
Distinguishing a tree ...by the fruit that it bears is a form of judgement. Noting the dirt beneath one's shoes lends to a judgement of character, and prediction of a man's fate, with respect to the direction that man chooses to take.

It is futile to attempt a bible lesson in this forum. The essence of Christian doctrine has been so abused and mis represented that any word of truth about Christianity is simply lost on the cynics... This forum should be named Band Cynics

Considering Obama's own writings and expressions of his Islamic experience as a boy, please post your links to information which "debunks" opinions otherwise.

as to "he underwent muslim religious training while a student in indonesia"

In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta.
History of schooling distorted
Chicago Tribune

Documents viewed by the AP showed that students attending the Fransiskus Assisis Catholic school were registered under one of five different religions: Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Obama, then known as Barry, attended the school from 1st through 3rd grade as student 203. He later enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, a school incorrectly described by the Washington Times Insight magazine and Fox News as an Islamic madrassa.
The Washington Post

Some on the right suggested during Mr. Obama's presidential campaign that he had attended a radical madrassa while in Indonesia. Former students at the Menteng school scoffed at that characterization. While many of the students at the school are Muslim, it draws the children of the elite in Indonesia. The school did not even have a prayer room when Mr. Obama attended; a mosque was built on the grounds in 2002.
CBS News


While Obama went to Besuki, a mostly Muslim school, for less than a year, he spent most of his four years in Indonesia studying at Santo Fransiskus Asisi, a Roman Catholic school run at the time by a stern Dutch priest. Classes began and ended each day with Christian prayers.
That Obama went to a Catholic elementary school for a time while living in Jakarta from 1967 to 1971 has long been known.
Catholic school in Indonesia seeks recognition for its role in Obama's life
The Washington Post

My reading comprehension is excellent. So good, in fact, that I can see you edited your original post to add all that fruit crap. You will have to do much better than that.

Yes I do edit quite often. Sometimes to add something I forgot to put in, like a missing word, or for spelling, or to add an afterthought as opposed to running a string of posts all in a row. Or even to rephrase a sentence to correct its composition.... something I noticed that you never do.

Regardless, there were many posts BEFORE you displayed your inability to comprehend what was written. And the edit you object so strongly to was that I added the "fruit" comment from scripture? Why? Because it reveals insight to his true nature? How lame.

And just what exactly does the scripture that I added have to do with the fact that I never stated that he wasn't a Christian? His deeds rat him out more than anything anyone could ever say about him. No one has to either affirm or deny his being a Christian to those who have any insight whatsoever. What a typical lame liberal diversion. But expected never the less.

I know you keep boasting that you have a degree in literature. So what does that mean in the real world? That you read a couple of books? You have a degree in reading? Wow! It still doesn't mean that you could comprehend any of them. So what exactly does a person with a degree in literature do in the real world? Do you get really good at reading and teach others to read books? Then they can teach others to read books and get degrees?

It sounds rather useless since you haven't a clue as to what is truly going on around you... given that there are so many books being written about it.

Try reading Ameritopia or Liberty and Tyranny. If you can comprehend them you will understand how screwed up your political position is. Unless you are a Communist, Marxist or Socialist. In other words, a traitor to this republic.

The truth lies in what I quoted. That you can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. Just as Drumsinheart said, we are to judge the fruit, not the motive. It is a spiritual principle that is perhaps beyond your understanding.

And, on the other side of the "Did Barry Study and Practice Islam While Living in Indonesia" question:

http://www.wnd.com/2008/04/60559/

Other articles from WND and plenty of other sources are easily retrieved doing a search.

Admittedly, Barry being just a boy, Islamic instruction may have gone right over his head. On the other hand when He states, as an adult, the sounds of Muslim evening prayers are the most beautiful memories he has, it is no stretch at all to logically conclude Obama's exposure to Islam was more than cursory, especially when telling George Stephanopolous he has a Muslim faith, only to be corrected by George his faith is Christian. But no Christian would ever belittle people for "clinging to their... Bibles," as Obama has done, on more than one occasion, if memory serves me correct.

Christians do not bow before Muslims, either.

Obama's a MUSLIM! No he's a CHRISTIAN! MUSLIM! CHRISTIAN! MUSLIM! CHRISTIAN!

Y'know what?
I DON'T GIVE A F#CK!
He believes in an invisible sky-daddy, just like half the people in America.
That's bad enough.
Claiming his invisible man is worse than your invisible man misses the point.
It is still an invisible man.

I've already been counseled not to enter any spiritual discussions on this forum, but what is it you have against Christ, who was hardly invisible?

BTW, there IS a growing ... thing in religion which many are calling "Chrislam." Maybe Obama will become one of the bright ones in its throngs.

I've already been counseled not to enter any spiritual discussions on this forum, but what is it you have against Christ, who was hardly invisible?

I have nothing against Jesus.
As fictional characters go, he's very nice.
His dad's a dick, though.

If Jesus said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father," and other such things of their oneness, how can the Father be what you think He is?

If Jesus said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father," and other such things of their oneness, how can the Father be what you think He is?

'IF he said it' being the point. but how can we KNOW he ever said any such thing? you can BELIEVE it... you can have FAITH he said it, but really..........

and really, because anyone says anything does that make it so? there's just waaaaaaaaaay too much interpreting involved to "know".

i do believe jesus existed. and i believe he had some good if albeit unoriginal ideas (that were put forth by many before him)....but son of god????

nope, sorry...ain't buying it.

Okay, well, that's your take. Of course, Christ referred to Himself as God, as the rest of the NT also states. He is God become man to save man. Cool story and I never realized it growing up.

Anyway, can He be a nice guy and be such a deluded liar? I am just asking what is wrong with the Father in Mike Nobody's eyes.

The problem with any story related by a man is that men lie. Maybe not maliciously but they do distort and invent "truth" for whatever reason. I believe Jesus existed and that he was a great man, and son of God as much as any of us are. Please believe whatever you choose; I prefer to believe what my five senses tell me.

Hmm. Do your five sense tell you that what I am typing will show up on a web site ... where is this forum located?

Anyway, you get my point. Holding a box with a toaster inside is no guarantee it will work correctly, and your five sense cannot help you with that. It takes faith that General Electric makes toasters that work when you plug them in to gain, ah yes, invisible electricity you have faith the electricians knew what they were doing when they rigged the house, etc, etc.

Anyway, can He be a nice guy and be such a deluded liar? I am just asking what is wrong with the Father in Mike Nobody's eyes.

i totally believe delusional folks can also be nice guys. mental illness doesn't of itself rule out the possibilty of otherwise being a good and affable sort.

So, how is it Bible authors lied, but Obama does not? Is he not a man?

And if everybody lies, what kind of world is this?

I guess that is why I trust the Bible. It does not have any lies in it. The anvil has, and will continue to wear out all the hammers struck against it.