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What I have trouble is grasping the concept of "knowing" you are saved. Some people who commit sin, some heinous crimes, then claim they are saved by the grace of Jesus. I have always had trouble with this concept. How does one really know for sure? That's what I can't get a handle on. I don't think it's possible for mere mortals to know. I've been told by more than a few people that I have my place in heaven reserved for me just by what I have done for my son. I just don't feel comfortable making that judgement or other people making that judgement for me. Sans, you mentioned that everybody is a "phuckin sinner." I don't believe everbody is a sinner, or in other words I CANNOT make that judgement. I am not qualified to make that judgement. In my opinion a mortal man cannot make those kind of judgements about others and especially about ourselves. We certainly can believe, but knowing for sure what only God can know? I just cannot grasp it.

I wish I could have this conversation eye to eye mano au mano Bob.
All I can tell you is ... I know.
It's not always been such with me.

I know I am a sinner.
I confess unto my father constantly.
I seek to walk in the light and am repentant for my sinful nature because the is no way for me to "keep track" of my individual infractions against the Law.
The Holy Spirit guides me (even when I don't listen too well )
And Jesus laid down his life to pay for my sin, past present and future simply because he LOVES me.

I really don't know how to better enumerate my blessings.

Theology, if you derive yours from the Bible, is often presented backwards.

There is no free will - only "free won't.

Christ died for everyone. Everyone is saved. Sadly, many say 'no thanks.'

I base my faith on scripture, not on feeling - God is true even when I'm in a bad mood, sick or drunk.

As to people getting saved after having done serious crimes - Ted Bundy the serial killer comes to mind - I rejoice at that. Bundy had walked away from the free gift of salvation right into a horror show -for him as well as his victims.

It should also be noted that scripture tells us that 'some vessels are created for dishonour.' A ghastly thought.

The Bible promises us that God will forgive our sins - period. (unless we reject God) What it doesn't say is that we can escape the consequences of our sins in this life.

Recognizing that, Ted Bundy chose not to appeal his death sentence, claiming God had forgiven him but his crimes needed to be punished.

Fortunately for us, God is NOT just. Salvation is His gift to us; we who have done nor can do, anything to deserve it.

Talbot

AH ... but GOD is just my friend ... Jesus took our sins to the cross.
The debt that must be paid, was paid in full.
As for the rest .

Well put.

I do not believe there is one sin more heinous than another.

All violations of the Law are punishable by death and damnation.

Even the denial of Christ is redeemable if we confess are penitent and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior as St Peter did.

George

If God was just, my ass would end up in hell!

Fortunately, there is this little thing called grace....

Talbot

God is just ... Jesus paid the price in full.

Else both are asses would end up in hell.

If I can't take a man for his word then I don't have much to do with him. Being a small business man has had a lot of people take advantage of my good hearted practice of the handshake and stare into a mans eye.

But I've also noticed karma drives a big damn bus, and the ones doing the screwing are hurting only themselves. Don't believe me ask my son...

Karma does drive a big bus..

I feel the same as he does.

"If you can't trust it, don't work for it".
That saved my ass about 10x now.

Karma's bus isn't big enough to effect
Washinton DC.

Karma's bus isn't big enough to effect
Washinton DC.

Well sh*t, that's like saying "the sun will burn out at some point".

Yeah I could have guessed as much. lol

Karma's bus isn't big enough to effect
Washinton DC.

They can run but there is no place to hide from judgement.