General Music Chat

In the ancient world the term ?genius? essentially meant the tutelary spirit, the Daimon, of every person. The philosophic conviction that each human being is guarded by his or her own spiritual genius was strongly held in Roman times. Many today refer to this as the Judeo-Christian Guardian Angel.

Talent is another classic avenue of your Daimon. In some people?s lives, as in the case of child prodigies?Mozart and music, Tiger Woods and golf?Daimonic talents are blatantly obvious. An inborn genius shines through virtually from birth. In other cases it may not be so spectacular, but it?s still there, still emerging in the nexus of things that a child is naturally good at.

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I know 2 kids that made clay penises that hung from a paperclip on their flys during their uneventful 8th grade year. They were both this horrible neon yellow.
Now every time I hear those words, I cringe.

Thank you Mike Vechicco and Brian McPherson for the mental scars in yellow. lol

Paper, Im not referring to covers at all, but Im sure that Mozart had a lot of basic musical knowledge before he wrote the songs he did, once again learning the basics is the place to start.

I dont think anyone ever met the Devil or God and then whammo they were insantly turned into a musical genius, the genius cut their teeth playing something to start with, period.

I do think music is spiritual in nature, there are those who try to push the boundarys, you mention Halen, well he was well versed in classical on piano and took that to make up his musical langauge as far as stretching and tapping, and its not like other didnt do it before, many used tapping techniques, he just had the sense to incorporate it into his musical language.

I do think there are those who use thier music to celebrate God or the Devil, but that is free will in action on thier parts, just hearing thier spiritual beliefs in action so to speak.

Take Johnny Cash he had both sides in his music, a love of gospel music and a love for writing songs about the dark side of life.

You can tilt this discusion in either direction, as humans we seem to reason with what our inside beliefs are, so to me our beliefs are shown thru our talents, they just show where our beliefs lie, our beliefs just influence where we are coming from.

Everyone has thier own beliefs when it comes to spirituality, so a discusion of this sort is really pointless, its not even an argument that either side could ever prove or win.

Everyone has talent at twenty-five. The difficulty is to have it at fifty.
Edgar Degas

Everyone has talent at twenty-five. The difficulty is to have it at fifty.
Edgar Degas

"Everyone has talent at 25" - That statement is a boldfaced lie, sir. lol
What they meant was "you'll be at the height of your physicality/appeal/etc. at 25".

The 50+ year old guys, they may be ugly but they'll blow your doors off if you let them. I just hope I make it to 50.

Everyone has talent at twenty-five. The difficulty is to have it at fifty.
Edgar Degas

"Everyone has talent at 25" - That statement is a boldfaced lie, sir. lol
What they meant was "you'll be at the height of your physicality/appeal/etc. at 25".

The 50+ year old guys, they may be ugly but they'll blow your doors off if you let them. I just hope I make it to 50.

I suppose you'll have to take that up with Mr. Degas

Talent in cheaper than table salt. What separates the talented individual from the successful one is a lot of hard work.
Stephen King

JCP I used to read a lot of Stephen King, and I saw a biography of him the other night, I think it was the book Carrie that he threw in the trash and his wife actually dug it out of the trash read it and told him he should finish it,, so in this case some luck from someone else seeing something in what he was writing went a long way, he is one of the most prolific writers of the last 100 years, perserverance made him what he is in my opinion.

JCP I used to read a lot of Stephen King, and I saw a biography of him the other night, I think it was the book Carrie that he threw in the trash and his wife actually dug it out of the trash read it and told him he should finish it,, so in this case some luck from someone else seeing something in what he was writing went a long way, he is one of the most prolific writers of the last 100 years, perseverance made him what he is in my opinion.

although he is very successful,
I have to confess that I do not believe there is a more unreadable author that ever lived.
but you know what they say about opinions.

Genius is the talent of a person who is dead.
Edmond de Goncourt

Everyone has talent at twenty-five. The difficulty is to have it at fifty.
Edgar Degas

"Everyone has talent at 25" - That statement is a boldfaced lie, sir. lol
What they meant was "you'll be at the height of your physicality/appeal/etc. at 25".

The 50+ year old guys, they may be ugly but they'll blow your doors off if you let them. I just hope I make it to 50.

I suppose you'll have to take that up with Mr. Degas

Talent is cheaper than table salt. What separates the talented individual from the successful one is a lot of hard work.
Stephen King

Real talent is not taught. A lot of success is luck and determination.

And f**k Stephen King, I love his books but the man is a giant jerk off.
If I wrote as well as he did, it would be a "no brainer" to be kind and humble to the people around him. Instead he writes in the jacket of one of his books about how you can figure out where he lives etc and then he goes on a diatribe about how he doesn't want visitors. (it was very sour)

Just remember that the little people make the big people who they are today, so to be a cretin is not productive. If, by the graces of all that is, you become successful at any of these reindeer games, you never want to slam the little guy.

S. King slams the little guy. If you ever met him, you wouldn't forget it.
He struck me as abnormally curt, not particularly humble and not very nice.

Yeah forgo the book signing and if you don't, watch what he does and how he acts. You may not want to read his material(s) after.

PS: The last book in the Dark Tower series is pure crap.
Yeah, I read it. I waited for it. I dreamed about it and then he published the last book. Suffice to say, I am going back to his short stories. lol

Funny JCP, I would think with your spiritual nature you would have liked the Stand, awesome book with the themes of good against evil, the movie didnt do it justice.

But as you said, we all have out taste, and you dont have a taste for King.

I just don't go in for fiction anymore, not for many years
my tastes are pretty boring, historical biography.
It's hard enough getting a truthful tale out of real occurrences, never mind the painful moralizing of fictional people about circumstances that never happened.

JCP I used to read a lot of Stephen King, and I saw a biography of him the other night, I think it was the book Carrie that he threw in the trash and his wife actually dug it out of the trash read it and told him he should finish it,, so in this case some luck from someone else seeing something in what he was writing went a long way, he is one of the most prolific writers of the last 100 years, perseverance made him what he is in my opinion.

Most all good creative types have someone else to "dig their material(s) from the trash", meaning that it often takes 2 to disseminate between TRASH and TREASURE.

I consider music to be exactly the same in this regard.
You may have a musical piece you think stinks. You throw it in the proverbial trash. Your writing cohort may see some validity in the piece and removes it from "the circular file".

1 perspective reduces the amount of vision that any one artist could ever have.

Too many cooks does spoil the broth, but only 1 musician writing the song makes for a one-dimensional view that can be very stifling.

Non-fiction is boring to read. I never met a biography I could tolerate and I find solace in the fictional accounts of people because although it is stimulating, it's easy to dismiss when you are done with the book.

If I want reality, I can always read about the people stuck in the political prison camps of North Korea. If that doesn't scare/revolt/stimulate you, I don't really know what would.