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Nav4c I dont give a damn what every other screaming lying other country in the world thinks about us, quote]




Glen baby your history or your memory need a tune up, Ford and Carter peaceful president?

Under Ford APRIL 9: American merchant ship Mayaguez, seized by Cambodian forces, is rescued in operation by U.S. Navy and Marines, 38 of whom are killed, the raid was succesful.

Under carter special American forces were dispached to free the hostages in Iran, the raid was a failure due to the incompetence of our military at the time but Carter authorized the raid and there is nothing peaceful about that.


You said “don’t give a damn about world’s opinion of America” either your chose to ignore or you don’t know out right the implication of negative world’s opinion impact on our economy, prestige and standing you may not care but America and Americans do care and for good reasons… without maintaining the higher moral ground we become morally bankrupt as the people we’re fighting.. so do America a favor don’t do public relation for us. As for the geopolitical implications...well it's not my job to educate you.

As for the option you list in your example of somebody punching someone in the face here again you chose to ignore the most obvious option I.E. to call the police, that's what should happen when living in a civilized country but we all know some are more civilized then others.

Your blind support for Israel is admirable to the point that you are willing to support their mistake and crimes against humanity at the expanse of
America, for decades this little rogue country has been a liability to the USA and we’ve paying to consequences for it 9/11 attack on us was a direct retaliation for our support for Israel (mark this statement for it may cost me the membership on BM such is the lobbying power of the Zionists)

But the most glaring misunderstanding on your and some other would be "war experts'spart" is the fact that my post is not about HOW to fight a war it’s about WHO and WHY fight wars. If I wanted to learn how to fight wars BM members is the last place I'd consult.

Now I know my comments on Israel are going to earn the usual epithet of anti-Semite which I will put it on my chest with pride, if I am than so is the guy in the video with whom I agree completely.

Click on the link if you have an open mind, you won't agree with it I'm sure but at least will educate you as to what other views are out there on the Zionist regime.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5drXEXkf9s

I guess I was being a bit too roundabout in agreeing with Philby.
Nav this is not about pro israel or pro palestine. Both are f**k baby killers.
Thats war. Don't rationalize, don't point to minor conflicts.

There should NEVER be a point in time when our Military is asked to fight a limited police action. Our military is trained to piss napalm and spit cocertina wire. They should never be brought into a conflict were, men, women, children, and babies are KILLED,,, They should only brought into a War ,that threatens ,,,, our our very existence as a nation. At that point Men ,women ,children, and babies ,will die,,,,, SAD, WAR, is hell.

Unfortunately the catch 22 is a large part of the world expects us to maintain world defense, but without any killing. OK bring all our troops home...
PUT THE WORLD on NOTICE..... the next time we unleash our military It will be to WIN no matter the devastation. It will not be to protect any corporate interest but to protect our borders.

Is that what you want NAV? As brutal as it seems, I agree with Phil, never ever use our troops for anything except to win a war.

Killing men, women, children, and babies is the essence of war.
It has always been that way. It will always be that way.
Soldier against soldier in some far away field with the women watching from the hillside is a Hollywood fantasy.
If you don't want death and destruction don't draw the sword.
When forced to draw the sword, kill them all.
THEN return to the ways of peace.

The enemy soldier, his wife, his children, his parent, his grandparents, those whom raise his food, those whom sew his garment, those who would draw his water from the well, are your enemy. Not to trade one of their lives for one of our soldiers.
All must die.

Offensive to the Euro-American psyche as it may be that is the way of war.

And it is the intent of the Islamic-fascist.

And right now we have a president that has no interest in protecting our borders.
Right now we have a president that opens us up to POLITICAL condemnation from a foreign nation,MEXICO, that is basically attacking our Constitution.
Right now we have troops still dying on forein soil because there is no clear political commitment to go in and win no matter what. Just get out, and when al queda attacks again, KILL WITH MALICE. The same mirror they hold up.
Right now we have to understand true meaning and responsability of owning such a powerful military.
Right now we have to understand these are not policemen asking for papers.
these are soldiers trained to DESTROY. You want cops dial 911.

The Administration is working on a strategy to bypass congress in order to grant instant citizenship (and the right to vote) to illegal aliens.

It is the only way they can remain in power.

Mark my words. If they are successful in again bypassing the Constitution.

Civil war will be the inevitable result.

"The enemy soldier, his wife, his children, his parent, his grandparents, those whom raise his food, those whom sew his garment, those who would draw his water from the well, are your enemy. Not to trade one of their lives for one of our soldiers.
All must die."

Funny you should mention this, sans.

Our own gov't has sold weaponry & trained the troops of how many of our enemies? General Motors built Panzer tanks & Messerschmidt parts throughout the nazi regime, & got paid for it. How many other corporations have benefited from supplying our enemies with tools to use against us? We constantly make food & medicine drops to our enemies, as well.

How much else have we contributed to our enemies' well-being? I'll bet that even I can't guess how much.

Q: Who IS our worst enemy?

A: #1 - the American gov't. #2 - American corporate greed. #3 - American humanitarianism during wartime.

At least that's one way to look at it...

And who pays with their lives? #1 - the American serviceman, #2 - the American businessman abroad, & #3 - the American tourist.

It wasn't clear to our public until '92, with the World Trade Towers' 1st targeted bombing attempt by bin Laden, that Americans could be paying on their own turf, but it was bound to happen eventually, as it did on 9/11/01.

Satan is our only enemy.
You see Phil, to me they are all foreign powers of temporary reign thus it is irrelevant.
I am in this world but I m not of this world. They may destroy my body but cannot touch my soul. True, the old Adam of me would stress and fight over such and then the Spirit reminds me.
Child of God am I. Only HE will rule in the end.

The most powerful force on earth is irrelevant in eternity.

Like men diving into a pit of maggots to fight over a gold coin when we could all just stand above it.

I think the ONLY reason for us to fight ANY war unilaterally is with someone who abuts our borders...so WATCH OUT, Mexico & Canada.

Any time we become involved in conflicts with OTHER countries' borders, we should do so in conjunction with at least one of those other countries, as well as a majority of the United Nations membership.

Okay...if we are invaded by someone, yeah, we should strike back. When we do so, however, we should make it a priority to do so with enough force to show the world that we will NOT be trifled with, & that when we are attacked, we will unilaterally WIN, no matter the cost to those that oppose us, & no matter the opinions of others.

Once we've won, & MADE SURE that they cannot retaliate anytime soon, we should leave them to their own devices, & allow the UN to help them rebuild.

It is NOT our duty to make the entire world a democracy. That is one of our biggest mistakes over the last 65 years. Some ppl just don't want it. So be it, as long as they leave us & ours alone.

Pre-emptive strikes against any country should be made unconstitutional.

In terms of this current trend of "terrorist cells," whenever we can ascertain WHERE one is that has attacked us, we should give the country they reside in the option of either turning them over to us, or being invaded until we have them. We should have invaded Pakistan 8 years ago, & we should have eradicated the Taliban effort in Afganistan by now, as well. This will encourage true world-wide effort to stop this crap.

I agree with you in theory Phil yet the preemptive strike is one of the warriors best and oldest tool.
The art of the Samurai is to draw, strike down the enemy and sheath, before the enemy can clear the scabbard with his steel.

When the threat is real, the principal remains the same, on any scale.

Suggested reading:

The Art of War - Sun Tsu
The Book of Five Rings - Miyamoto Musahe

The principles outline here are applicable in all life endeavors.

I understand the concept, sans, & would definitely use it in battle scenarios, but it just doesn't fit with my morality when it comes to my country & war, as a rule...of course, there are exceptions to every rule, too...

The Art of War - Sun Tsu
The Book of Five Rings - Miyamoto Musahe

The principles outline here are applicable in all life endeavors.

Funny you mentioned Sun Tzu Sans, I'm on chapter 1 of The Art of War. Very insightful for life in general, especially when backed by scripture.

Any man who would harm a child, no matter who's child it is or what country it was born in is truly a wicked coward.

You can romanticise it all you want, war is what happens when evil men blacken the hearts and twist the sense of honor and pride of simpleminded brainwashed fools, who as sons of wicked dogmen of the past, are born already cursed by the evil deeds of thier forefathers, to be predisposed with a thirst for blood of the innocent.

Are you so easily corrupted?

The top 5 arms dealers in the world, supplying nearly every weapon, every bullet, to all the planet's wars, ranked in order of their contributions to the cause -

#1 - the USA
#2 - the UK
#3 - Russia
#4 - France
#5 - China

You figure it out.

Who are the 'good guys?'

It's nothing personal...just business...

Any man who would harm a child, no matter who's child it is or what country it was born in is truly a wicked coward.

You can romanticise it all you want, war is what happens when evil men blacken the hearts and twist the sense of honor and pride of simpleminded brainwashed fools, who as sons of wicked dogmen of the past, are born already cursed by the evil deeds of thier forefathers, to be predisposed with a thirst for blood of the innocent.

Are you so easily corrupted?

Just got home from a gig can't resist answering to this post;

FunkDealer I salute you Sir, if we ever in a war together I'd be honored to fight beside you, I'd rather face death next to honor and valor than the cowardliness of psychopaths.

Any man who would harm a child, no matter who's child it is or what country it was born in is truly a wicked coward.

You can romanticise it all you want, war is what happens when evil men blacken the hearts and twist the sense of honor and pride of simpleminded brainwashed fools, who as sons of wicked dogmen of the past, are born already cursed by the evil deeds of thier forefathers, to be predisposed with a thirst for blood of the innocent.

Are you so easily corrupted?

This is easy to say, until you are faced with an 11 year old kid firing an AK47 at you. It's happening all over the world.

It happened to a former student of mine, in Iraq.

It happened to a friend of mine, in Viet Nam.

Our own FBI said it happened to them at Ruby Ridge...of course, the situation was a bit different, there...