General Music Chat

First stop putting me out of business.
second ,stop taxing me to death.
third earnings season for major corps last quarter were amazing, they did it by cutting overhead and expenses to the bone. They eliminated jobs that were not neccesary to turn a profit, they took thousands of jobs overseas because unions and taxes are out of control.

You keep forgetting the one basic reason corporations exist. IT IS NOT TO CREATE JOBS, that is just a coproduct and a blessing.

The govt can Not and will never be able to create the jobs that are so Important. Only free market corps can do that. Even China has moved closer to a free market economy.

Corporations have only One reason to exist,TO TURN A PROFIT.
YOU keep saying that is wrong,,,I really doubt you work for free.

I have seen to many Corps shut their doors because unions demanded too much,and they were being overtaxed. WHY STAY IN BUSINESS IF YOU ARE NOT MAKING MONEY? Again do you work for free?

Tired ,hungry, out of work,,,,,,STOP PUTTING THE BLAME ON BUSINESS.!!!!

I'm putting the blame exactly where it belongs, when corp's play on both sides of our borders for undue profits at the cost of Americans.

An excess of 15,000,000 are out of work in this country. If these businesses want to sell to us, they certainly can, cuz thier products are all that is available to us. We cannot boycott thier products when we need them to survive.

Remember that 2,000+% markup on necessary meds? It cannot be justified, other than to gouge the public.

Again, I ask - how much profit is enough? - Where should the profits go?

My Dr just tried again to put me into the American medical machine for the rest of my life. He was surprized that I won't sign up for it.

Where can you get gas, other than the 3-4 major corp's out there, just to be able to work? They gouge us twice a year.

Where are you going to get food, if you live in an apartment, other than from the major food conglomerates? Again, they can charge whatever they wish, without worry about competition, cuz they've effectively erased it.

Free market makes things very easy for the ones with all the money to totally control what you buy, when it's available to be bought, how you're going to get to the store, whether or not you can even work.

Giving corp's totally free reign also opens up other cans of worms, like unfair income & employee abuse, which has been happening at alarming rates over the last 30 years.

Small business is overtaxed & over-regulated. I've said that time & time again, but you keep missing that. It's the really big co's that get away with so much, & there is no way for the little guys to either compete with them or expect fair treatment from them either on the job or in the marketplace.

Our gov't, being bought & owned by big business, is what is destroying your co, not my model.

Yep, the big corp earnings are doing quite well for themselves in a frightening market. That only proves my point, Glen. THEY are erasing you & me, the little guys, by forcing legislation that removes us from the market, while they treat thier employees badly, & take all those earnings for the few at the top of the corp ladder.

The gov't can indeed help to create jobs - by lowering small biz taxes, by careful enforcement of anti-trust & anti-monopoly laws already in place, & by removing so many of the obstacles that they have put into place over the last 30 years. They can also make it less profitable to move a co's work base out of the country.

As long as we allow, nay, encourage & REWARD the outsourcing of American jobs with runaway profits, we are hurting ourselves.

We need to address some of the reasons that it's so popular. For example, our OSHA regs are way too strict, making costs run high.

There is much we should be doing that we aren't.

GLENJ,

I agree. I was a lab tech for Zenith Radio Corp. The union always threatened to strike at the busiest time of the year, Christmas unless their demands were met.
I had more money than I needed and couldn't understand why the push for more more more. I enjoyed my job.
Eventually the union made it so expensive to pay their overhead, which was put on the back of every radio, that Zenith could not compete. They shut down and went over seas. Yeah I know, those rotten bastards want to make a profit. How dare they?

You call that corporate greed. I call it trying to survive the attack of union thugs and government thieves. Learn this lesson.

Some thieves rob you with a gun.

Some thieves rob you with a fountain pen

Some thieves rob you by threatening to destroy your livelihood.

Some thieves rob you by printing phony dollars that make the dollar in your bank account, retirement fund, or wallet worth less that when you earned it with your hard labors. They stick their hands in your wallet under the cover of darkness and steal as surely as anyone with a gun could.

But are they not all thieves, taking your money without your consent? Taking the fruits of your labor by force and against your will?

The ONLY difference in the end is that the thief with the gun goes to jail while the other thieves get rich and run free. Some even tell you that you are better off because of that.

I have a real hard time distinguishing between thieves. To me a thief by any other name is still a thief.

A few random thoughts. (like that's any different than usual)

Even God's people are allowed to make a reasonable and right profit in their business dealings. Just exactly what percentage is considered a right profit is of course hotly debated.

In an environment like where I work. Where profit is maintained even at risk to health and safety of both employees and customers. This is definitely not a right profit.

A free enterprise form government cannot create wealth or jobs.
All they can do is redistribute wealth and interfere with the economy.
This is not their intended function.
What they can do is leave it the hell alone.
A socalist form of government rapidly decays into an elitist / serf situation due to the functions of greed upon men's souls. They soon run out of other peoples money to redistribute / steal as well

If you don't like the way someone does business, don't do business with
them.
This is the only type of economic control that actually functions. The only hole in this theory is most consumers are but sheep being led to the shear.
There are many companies I do my best to steer clear of both parent and subsidiary though it can be very difficult due to the complexity of corporate laws.
McDonald's, General Motors, ATT, General Electric, to name a few.

I am working on a tactic that will reduce my dependence on banking as well as reducing my overhead so that I am more flexible as a professional. The goal is to no longer be a enabler & pawn to satan's sweatshop.

who says the profits are undue,,you
remember rickles home centers, home depot came in and wiped them out.
remember lowes , they are taking back a major market share. Remember Mom and Pop hardware stores, In my area they are taking back their previously thought ,LOST,market share. As far as small lumber yards they are coming back also because not every one is looking for cheap second grade lumber. Things are actually looking not so good for those corps. What are you going to say when they fail and all those employees are unemployed. Home depot had to reconsolidate this year and shut down their high end showrooms.
Remember Corps Must make money to stay in business,Rickels didn't.

Also as an aside you are in a very good position to compete directly with the crap labor that lowes and home depot offer.And your hands are not tied by some of the expensive junk being sold and installed by THOSE CORPS so called experts. One guy and I'm saying you can go head to head with wealthy corps if you would just take the time to see the advantages over HD And Lowes.

As far as punishing any corp for moving jobs overseas or just from CA to Nevada, They don't care,,,, you keep forgetting corp rule #1 MAKE MONEY!

Any tarrifs imposed will just be passed on down the line or those goods and sevices will no longer be available because there is no profit in them.
[rule # 1]

All your thinking does is stop the byproduct of a succesfull corp.JOBS.

The other question you raise is how much is too much and then it becomes greed. I don't know ask God.

I do know that every necessary social program run by the Govt with no need to turn a profit [and a few that should be private] transit systems,[amtrack,MTA],,,medicare,medicade,govt controlled utilities ,libraries ,fire and police, public shools, and the list goes on. IT does just prove what happens when there is no need to show a profit.
As another aside Warren Buffet owns railroads and they are turning a profit.


Yeah like I'm going to go out and hire two more people and subject myself to maybe another 160000 thousand dollars in payroll and taxes for a 5 thosand dollar tax credit,even big corps say no without the reason ,PROFIT.
When you work for any private business , you have no right to that profit unless that is spelled out as part of your pay,most likely linked to performance[sales]. What we can do right now,,, is see how well our govt does now that our tax dollars own general motors.

You're damned right I'm saying that over 2,000% markup is wrong, especially when that same drug can be bought just over the border for a mere 15% markup.

Big business is ruining this country, & it's going to ruin the entire world once it's taken everything it can from us & broken us as a ppl.

They're well on the way there, from what I see & hear from ppl daily.

It's no sin to be successful, or even wildly successful, Glen. It's a sin to do it by destroying the lives of so many ppl, & bringing down an otherwise fine gov't with pure unadulterated corruption.

Phil ,are things that bad in W.V.? What your wifes co did to her is not what I would call typical of most American business.I would have to be the first to say that was pretty low and morally reprehensible.

How the heck would let her go back out and play with the dog that bit her?

just from what they did ,I would do everything possible,to NOT go back.

If your area is that deppressed I would have to say its time to boogie. People in jersey and CA and NY are just clearing out. Even now ,if I can unwind this hand,,,,,Texas or the Ozarks are looking pretty good.

Funny even Oprah Winfrey with all her money, and liberal ideas about spending everyone elses money.....She has homes in CA but she is very carefull not to spend more time there than the law permits before she is considered a resident and liable for a MUCH LARGER CA tax bill.

I'm still waiting to hear from anyone how Hayden is doing!
He wasn't doing that great ages ago, way before Xmas, then it went quiet.

Poor guy.

LOL

WV is so depressed you can't get work here, Glen. My wife works in MD, where they can random test you for drugs & alcohol.

Her co used to be a sub of Citicorp, then it went independent, then it's been bought out 4 or 5 times since then.

I've talked to a lot of ppl who have those kinds of things happen to them, btw. It's far more typical in the modern business model than you might think.

Sure, she could leave that co, but to go where? Citicorp? Same effin' prob's with that outfit. She works with co's trying to get paid by the credit card co's, sets up the card swipers over the phone, handles accounts, etc.

I tried to get one of those "cushy gov't jobs" awhile back, with the county. They advertised that they were hiring at $29K, but when I went in for the interview, they said it was a misprint, that the job payed only $17K. I think they already HAD someone in mind, & just wasted my time & lied to me about what the job was worth. You know, the usual small town corruption sh*t. I walked out when he told me the difference in pay.

You know,

With all this ranting and raving about politics and such I hope it doesn't take your mind off the fact that THESE are the good old days.

We better enjoy what we have left of them before the thing lurking around the corner takes away all our freedom and liberty.

Click click BANG !

LOL

Here ya go, Glen, sans & Craig!

I'm a prophet! (J/K!)

I watched some show on the history channel yesterday about old prophets, & Amos was evidently saying the very same things I am in his time - that the rich were using & abusing the little guy, & that there would be hell to pay if things didn't change.

Of course, things didn't change, & there was hell to pay. God turned his back on Israel & Jordan when they simply got too greedy.