General Music Chat

Whats the difference between a head on collision and a 69'er?

With a 69'er, you see the c*nt coming.....

Thats funny, war is not...

Iain,

Things are bad here, in many ways. Various elements play with the idea of armed rebellion, they are so angry. Several states have secession movements now, and it is NOT wackos supporting these anymore, but also esteemed politicians!

Our country is falling apart at the seems, and most here, don't realize it.

There is a huge RIFT, almost exactly down the middle. If the anger and posturing between these two camps gets much worse, there will be hell to pay, and WE ALL pay it as Americans, because it is OUR COUNTRY TOGETHER, and the world suffers because, it is greatly affected by what happens here.

I proposed in some political threads a while back, that what was required to fight these HUGE and WELL FINANCED powerful interests, keeping us from reforming our government, is for MORE AMERICANS to get involved with government. An armed rebellion WILL NOT work. And though it is NECESSARY that we unite, it is VERY DIFFICULT to unite such diverse political beliefs. So what is required, is to find COMMON GROUND on the MAJOR ISSUES confronting us, and for a MAJORITY OF AMERICANS to politically support that change, by DEMANDING their political leaders accomplish the things we demand, or be voted out of office permanently. Whatever interests politicians have, none is more pressing to them, than the next ELECTION. This is the ONE AREA, that THEY MUST have Americans support on. WE VOTE FOR THEM.

No political office, no political power!

I proposed a group, to be called, something like...

"SingleIssue.com"

Or something similar (where you can find a matching and AVAILABLE domain name) where Americans would unite, for the common good, in support of ONE ISSUE AT A TIME.

Accomplish that SINGLE ISSUE and then move to the next one.

And yes, drastic change "IS" needed, but again, we have to live in reality. No small group will succeed in ARMED REBELLION. There are too many diverse and autonomous policing agencies and military agencies here. THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!

It has to be a carefully crafted, POLITICAL SOLUTION, that is acceptable to a MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, and can be accomplished REALISTICALLY, through a devoted and serious POLITICAL EFFORT.

It has to be ONE STEP AT A TIME to work in reality.

Drastic change is what's necessary, people are to comfy in their lives and are scared i understand that, it's going the same way same here, be we dont have Ron Paul, you guys had a choice and blew it in my opinion, i'm not being mean, just saying that just because as i think as you basically said people are scared things might change, soldiers are dying, INNOCENT civilians are dying in the middle east, your borrowing more money from countries like china, increasing the national debt and inflation, social paranoia, media perpetuated xenophobia, and countless other things, are you really sleeping better at night with THAT knowledge than you would about revolutionising the democratic process, your education system, your foreign policies, the welfare system etc.. and wondering if it will work?

No Craig,
It is not as bad as that at all.

Fear mongers are everywhere. They would like us to feel insecure, make us lament, make us feel as though a catheter awaits, or some new fangled private Medicare system.

Thing is............ We are human, we think, make personal judgements and so on.

Frankly I think by suggesting such a thing you are no different to the news hype I read daily. There are GOOD people everywhere. THEY will help you even if they DO NOT speak your language,

AMERICA IS MY COUNTRY.

Please do not bring it down with Scanty comments based on a life in netherworld.

Our country is falling apart at the seems, and most here, don't realize it.

Nah, Craig is right, i have been taking this lightly a little bit, just generalising really, i started this thread gently, with this title because i am genuinely interested in this, it seems to me, and i'm absolutely not baiting this, that even though half the world knows what really happened on 9-11, i cried with the rest of you btw, this is still not enough to mobilise people, we had a smaller 'attack' here, and no-one batted an eyelid, i just like to hear from people about these things, no amount of discussion on this subject is too much...

No Craig,
It is not as bad as that at all.

Fear mongers are everywhere.

No offense Chippy...

It "IS" just as bad as what I described. I guarantee you, that I am more informed about this than you are. I can't even tell you, how many Newspapers and Blogs I read on a daily basis, both domestic and international. I have always been a news junkie, and I prefer to read information FROM ALL SIDES of any issue.

There are LEGAL MEASURES being taken, as we speak, to have several states secede from the Union. Will they be successful? Of course not. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. The concern is not that they will be successful... the concern is that NORMAL people are now backing this agenda, including KNOWN POLITICIANS who ordinarily, would not put themselves at such political risk, to back such measures.

MESSAGES ARE BEING SENT... like warning shots fired over the bows of shipping vessels.

The stakes are getting higher. And when political measures, like secession fail... which they will, then it makes people MORE ANGRY. You seem to be unaware, how quickly VIOLENT CHAOS can erupt in such an environment. Look through history, like the riots that occurred when MLK was assassinated, and to a smaller degree, when the officers got off clean, after the Rodney King incident. When this stops being "punks" and "thugs" as they were with the violent protests in Seattle, and ELECTED OFFICIALS start getting involved in such a thought process (secession) and may be able to put their political weight behind things, there is a witches brew, cooking, with the potential for disaster. It is not that the country will be completely destroyed. But people and businesses could be targeted, and then militias act with VIOLENCE rather than the traditional rhetoric...

Chippy... THE WORLD IS NOT as civilized as you assume.

It is sometimes more like trained Lions and Apes, who go years without harming a human, but there is that ONE DAY... where conditions are JUST RIGHT... and right there... live on television, a news crew is filming the Ape or Lion with his trainer right there, and IN AN INSTANT... someone has been mauled... often to death, when what no one expected to happen... SUDDENLY HAPPENS!

WE ARE "animals" still Chippy, in our FLESH.

And like trained animals... that INSTICT is still within many of us. And people are capable of the most horrific atrocities, when society goes bad and SUPPORTS the conditions, allowing such acts to occur.

Do you believe that MOST GERMANS are murderous racists? That it is in their DNA or something? What allowed Nazism to exist and commit the atrocities it did, was a unique combination of politics, desperation, financial meltdown... anger over a previous war, intense propaganda, peer pressure, national identity over individual identity and beliefs.

Go research: "The Asch Conformity Experiments" and "The Milgram Experiment"

Look those up, to start with, as an example of what "normal" people are capable of. And the psychology involved.

"WE ARE "animals" still Chippy, in our FLESH."

'Bout damned time you owned up to that, Craig! heh heh heh!

So?
And your point is?
This isn't a virus thank God! This is people killing people. Not for meat or mind, just ideology, theology,

Malingerers, voters of a motif, a banner, a symbol, even something that tastes so nice?
If this if your looking then be prepared to bring a shovel to bury the dead you will make.

Nah, Craig is right, i have been taking this lightly a little bit, just generalising really, i started this thread gently, with this title because i am genuinely interested in this, it seems to me, and i'm absolutely not baiting this, that even though half the world knows what really happened on 9-11, i cried with the rest of you btw, this is still not enough to mobilise people, we had a smaller 'attack' here, and no-one batted an eyelid, i just like to hear from people about these things, no amount of discussion on this subject is too much...

So?
And your point is?
This isn't a virus thank God! This is people killing people. Not for meat or mind, just ideology, theology,

Malingerers, voters of a motif, a banner, a symbol, even something that tastes so nice?
If this if your looking then be prepared to bring a shovel to bury the dead you will make.

In this instance, button pusher that he is (LOL), Iain is actually trying to BE A VOICE OF REASON. And so am I. And I know you hold similar values. My only point to you, is that being unrealistic about the problems, does not make them vanish.

People have to first... REALIZE the seriousness of the problem.

And then, well meaning, rational and sadly... "sacrificial" people, need to come up with a plan, and do what is necessary, pay any price, to bring humanity back to civility, and societal cooperation.

People in power are trying to destroy America on purpose. They are going to succeed. Some believe it will be a "bloodless coup". I say they are all wrong, it isn't going to be bloodless.
All great civilizations have been destroyed from within, and we are well on the way. You could refute me, but you haven't evidence to the contrary.

Much wiser for you to refute me in a few years, if we have the freedom of speech for you to do so. I will be happy if you can. I wish to be wrong.

i think you are close to the mark, something i am and have been worried about saying is that i truly fear that along with this and the global population issue, the 'they' we refer to are waiting for or orchestrating something to tackle this situation that it doesn't bear thinking about, basically, halve the population, double the economy.. oh s**t i said it!!!!!!

Because sticking you head in a hole pretending all the bad stuff will just go away is not an option.

All this is coming from an Brit.You have extreme, misconceived ,distorted,appended,divisional,understanding of our Constitution, and who we as an AMERICAN people are.
What you do have to start to understand ,is that when there is a world wide tragedy Americans are the first ones to give. Why do we get attacked at home and world wide??? I dont Know..... I do Know it would be a very sad day in the world if we no longer existed as a nation..... The rest of the world would become open to tyranical chaos. No promise you Brits would be around that much longer.
Every time we put boots on the ground, it is our attempt ,right or wrong, to try and protect the innocent.Britain has a much longer history of ,,IMPERIALISM.
You want Ron Paul,, take him, everyone bow down to king Ron Paul.
Craigs right.... you guys crack me up.

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The biggest problem we have in America is the fact tha I HAVEN'T RUN FOR PRESIDENT YET...

Wondered how long that would take Glenj.....