General Music Chat

But in a Republic, citizens do not elect the President anyway.

The Electoral College does.

Only in a few states are these "electors" required to vote in accordance with the popular vote.

Want to make a big change in government?

Start there.

Wouldn't that be awesome?

I think so.

And it is an issue who's time has come.

The founding fathers chose our form of government as a representative form of democracy, with an electoral college, because they feared a largely uneducated public would make uninformed decisions, or elect presidents out of anger, who had no business being president. Think of Italy, who quite a few years back elected a porn star to parliament, basically as a protest against the corrupt officials. Her only qualification for her position, was apparently, being a porn star.

But things have changed here.

Public education makes a basic education available to all children now.

The vast majority of Americans are now online.

We already had a media saturated society.

There are any number of ways for citizens to be informed now, and therefore, they should be trusted to decide their president directly.

This would likely open the door to having more candidates, with a realistic chance of being elected. When more Americans really believed their vote meant something, then perhaps more of them would vote regularly.

There are few other places in life, where we would accept only having basically 2 choices to select from.

Surely, one of the most important choices we can ever make as Americans, is who leads the country.

Why do we accept only having 2 options?

So if you are clever or can afford to study, throw a long ball, get a home run at college you get to vote?
These are Maxims based upon a specific societies methodology.

4 Miself cuz I dunt know nAYfink at all. I foinks Musak is a better medyum.

Anywhos if most folks on here spent more time writing music and talking about it you/they/them might have more followers than now.

Sorry just a scant observation.

Wouldn't that be awesome?

I am asked a lot why I joined the military.
I can honestly say this:
The constitution is the next best thing from the bible.


I try not to force my beliefs on others,
but its when others force beliefs on me is when I react.
This healthcare thing is just the next slice.
first it was the FDA, then FTC, then WTO
now they own wall street, car companys, and now healthcare?

When will it stop? Will they lease land out to rent? or take back land for their own gain?
If my grandpa were alive today he'd be s***ing bricks, he fought in WWII for finland against Soviet Union, then for USA against Germany

He fought against the very ideals that w eare embracing right now.
Hitler was elected too i'll remind everyone.

I joined for myself mainly, to meet a challange, and I did. But I am starting to see the faces of the hands at work, and I dont like what I am seeing.

This is just one patriot's view.
I'm doing my time dont I get my own voice?

AirViking,

I'll be the first to thank you for your service to our country.

Our constitution is the longest running constitution in the world. That testifies to it's brilliance. But it is not perfect. The founding fathers knew this, and left us an ammendment process.

America has been, and hopefully, will always be, a "work in progress".

We should all participate in the work of progressing it.

If we don't. We deserve whatever government we get.

The founding fathers would have understood that. What they would have been offended and shocked at, was that WE HAVE the tools of change at our disposal and do not use them.

They sacrificed their lives, honor and fortunes, so that we would have, the very process we abandon and ignore.

I vote, I have not missed an election cycle in 30 years.
I have continued to and will continue to vote against broken promises.
But my out look and opinion is damned dim right now. We have legeslation being financed by our tax dollars that was never even read by the men whom voted for it. That is taxation without representation.
I will tolerate no more erosion of my constitutional rights.

I vote, I have not missed an election cycle in 30 years.
I have continued to and will continue to vote against broken promises.
But my out look and opinion is damned dim right now. We have legeslation being financed by our tax dollars that was never even read by the men whom voted for it. That is taxation without representation.
I will tolerate no more erosion of my constitutional rights.

FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS AMEN!
I also agree that we have the tools to correct this, and people protest only to be arrested... ill admit that the tea partys lately ahve been rather calm, and thats good.

I just wish we had more people who are fed upp with this.
Orvote for what they believe not just who will win.
Do people think they get a prize for voting for the winner?
The only prize that dems have gotten out of Obama is lies, thats why his approval polls are dropping faster then any other pres's
although i admit there were a lot of obamabots, so he had a lot too lose too.

I dont see a prefect way of cleaningup the beurocractic mess that washington has made. but its just like cleaning your room, we have to start SOMEWHERE!

I must sound like Ted Nugent, which is no insult in my eyes.
Dont tread on me!

Kill it N grill it!

We are not alone AV.
We are not alone.

The tea party protests, though down played by the media, is very telling.
These were average people whom walked away from real jobs to protest.
Not paid protesters, or professional protesters as used for propaganda.

Want an idea of what I mean. Obama has more troops ingaged in Iraq and Afganistan than Bush ever did. And are talking about enlarging the armed forces to send even more troop into Afganistan, they continue to do nothing about the genocide in Africa.
Where are the anti war protesters?
Where is Code Pink ?
Hint, no longer being paid or organised by the DNC.

We, for the first time in many years have average citizens locking the doors of their businesses to walk down to the court house in show of solidarity.
They werent bussed there by acorn. And many of them, though God fearing men of family, are well armed.

I didn't vote for Obama, so don't blame me. I told everyone he was going to bring the country toward socialism. The ultra-libs here then began praising socialism. When I suggested to one Canadian here that since he had more guitars than me, he needed to send me one, in the spirit of socialism. He didn't seem to like that idea, cause he never sent one. LOL

As to the Tea Parties, this is a prime example of bringing attention to an issue and getting people involved. Go Glenn Beck!

This is a step in the right direction, but it is not enough. As stated, the liberal media outlets downplay this outpouring of anger, if they report on it at all.

But then what?

Glenn, or some concerned Conservative leaders, should be borrowing some plays from the DNC playbook. Helping these people to organize. Teaching them how to get their representatives to propose legislation and other legal means to take things to the next level.

And Sans...

You can't get on the internet from prison. You need to get those ideas out of your head. I see the wheels spinning. LOL

Armed rebellion is not going to happen. Bush put in place far more serious spy-methods than has ever occurred in the past. While it does help keep an eye on foreign-lead terrorists, it also allows an eye on what the government would call "domestic ones" as well. No government will see armed revolt as patriotic. They would be arrested before they settled on a location for their first training camp.

When the extremists start this effort, it will be all the government needs to begin stripping away our constitutional right to bear arms.

The big weapons are in government hands anyway, and there are more checks and balances on that power, than there is on the federal government.

Got the army on your side?

What about the Marines, Air Force, The National Guard?

Got the local police on your side?

What about State Troopers, DEA, The ATF?

Got the Secret Service on your side?

What about the CIA, The FBI, Federal Police?


There is no organizing the dozens of policing organizations that exist in this country into a cohesive whole. Especially secretly?

Not happening.

They are all distinct and separate from one another, and many of them overlap. Federal Police, for example, are legally authorized to police, not just federal institutions but state and county levels as well. Many of the other agencies are the same.

It has to be political power that is assumed and harnessed.

This requires MILLIONS of Americans uniting.

This requires educating them, and fueling a strong desire in them.

I have an idea of how to get this ball rolling...

I think over-saturation of multiple issues is one problem.

You have well-meaning Americans complaining about putting the country into debt it will not easily recover from, if ever.

You have others concentrating on flat-tax issues.

Still others representing different issues.

To solve HUGE issues, on a federal level, more unity is required. More numbers. More pressure.

What about a website called something like:

www.SingleIssue.com

or...

www.One-Issue-At-A-Time.com

And gathering together widespread support, particularly other groups who may already have financial backing and administrative strength, and you build up and promote this site as a Single Issue at a time resource for getting things done.

When that Single Issue is successful, it proves to people they have more power than they realized, when organized well and FOCUSED. And you then move on to the next issue, which could be even easier, since many more people would join something that has already proven itself to be successful.

The site would display the elected officials who are AGAINST the issue chosen, and the citizens would vow to get him out of office, or keep him out of office. Not merely by voting one way or another, but staffing the campaign of the candidate who supported this issue, organizing town-hall meetings to educate others on why the issue is important, finanically supporting the candidate who supports that issue. Organizing protests, etc...

Hopefully you would have a bi-partisan board running things, and possibly you could have registered members VOTE on which issue will be next on the agenda.

Just an idea.

Craig, that is a good idea about one issue at a time. And the idea that if it works once, it will build up more momentum and support.

AV, when you swore to defend our constitution from foreign and domestic enemies, would a corrupt government that is desecrating our constitution be considered a domestic enemy? And are there more like minded military grunts who view this in the same light? If so, maybe we do have the military on our side.

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Kill it N grill it!

Hey Sans. The cat in my front yard says, "whaddaya mean I coulda grilled it"?

Craig, that is a good idea about one issue at a time. And the idea that if it works once, it will build up more momentum and support.

AV, when you swore to defend our constitution from foreign and domestic enemies, would a corrupt government that is desecrating our constitution be considered a domestic enemy? And are there more like minded military grunts who view this in the same light? If so, maybe we do have the military on our side.

In our orders we can deny to follow out an order if it is unlawful or unconstitutional. but we have many laws that contridict the constitution and its amendments, like gun laws. the second amendment clearly states: uninfringed. But that hasnt stopped state or privite business (such as airlines) from implementing these laws.

And yes, most the guys in my maintance squardron have similar opinions to mine. Not exact becuase we are all different people ya know?
A CORRUPT government is terms of a domestic enemy, but not like the clinton issue, Im talking more about martial law. Until something like martail law is declared there wont be any major armed rebellions, just extremist that act as lone wolf terrorist. There is a HUGE difference between a patriot and a terrorist. A terrorist is not willing to negotiate and is willing to take life, while a patriot is aware that the people they are angry at are also US citizens just like they are and wish to not use arms to gain their politcal wants. Ron Paul is a perfect example of this.

Good answer, AV. I am not a revolutionary or anything. I was just imagining that, if things escalated into a conflict between government and people, it would be nice to know that our soldiers would not just blindly follow orders, but rather would give it a lot of thought to see who the real enemy is.

Craig, that is a good idea about one issue at a time. And the idea that if it works once, it will build up more momentum and support.

AV, when you swore to defend our constitution from foreign and domestic enemies, would a corrupt government that is desecrating our constitution be considered a domestic enemy? And are there more like minded military grunts who view this in the same light? If so, maybe we do have the military on our side.

In our orders we can deny to follow out an order if it is unlawful or unconstitutional. but we have many laws that contridict the constitution and its amendments, like gun laws. the second amendment clearly states: uninfringed. But that hasnt stopped state or privite business (such as airlines) from implementing these laws.

And yes, most the guys in my maintance squardron have similar opinions to mine. Not exact becuase we are all different people ya know?
A CORRUPT government is terms of a domestic enemy, but not like the clinton issue, Im talking more about martial law. Until something like martail law is declared there wont be any major armed rebellions, just extremist that act as lone wolf terrorist. There is a HUGE difference between a patriot and a terrorist. A terrorist is not willing to negotiate and is willing to take life, while a patriot is aware that the people they are angry at are also US citizens just like they are and wish to not use arms to gain their politcal wants. Ron Paul is a perfect example of this.

Yes he is. I really did like what I heard from Ron Paul, and it was sad to see his campaign ignored by a lot of people. There's a big problem these days with the 2-party system that get's pumped through the pipeline of the mainstream media while any 3rd party is seen as a wreck loose.

The way I see it, both mainstream parties have had the same deep-rooted agendas while waving the shiny keys at the masses over menial issues to smokescreen any focus on the slow taking of our rights and gradual erosion of our constitution.

I wouldn't put it past our government to already be grooming and picking out our 3rd party President who will be elected next term. Sounds futile, but I do believe that they think the American people are so stupid that they can't see through what has transpired in this last election. The guise of change. And it will be attempted again.

Sounds futile, but I do believe that they think the American people are so stupid that they can't see through what has transpired in this last election. The guise of change. And it will be attempted again.

Sadly, a lot of Americans are that stupid, or actually just so misinformed that they believe the hype and propaganda of the media. Add to that all the hardcore Dems and Reps who will only vote their own ticket, and you have a majority of people who can't see that a third party candidate is exactly what America needs.