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#260952 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:49 pm
RGMixProject wrote:First Guitar of Rock and Roll
http://www.vintageguitar.com/22517/firs ... -and-roll/



I met Scotty Moore at the same guitar show where I met Chet Atkins. Another really humble man.

I was a partner in a guitar store in the mid 80s, and my partner, Eugene Robertson started throwing these big guitar conferences around the country, the biggest being in Dallas. My favorite memory was selling Eric Johnson the tobacco-burst 57 strat he still uses. We traded him even for a 6 & 12-string Vox "tear drop" electrics. He definitely got the better end of the deal, but we wanted him to have that guitar and tell everyone where he got it.

We had an after party in 1983 that was the most amazing guitar orgy I've ever seen. We had Chet, Scotty Moore, Tommy Tedesco, Lee Ritenour, Bugs Henderson, the guys from Cinderella (who looked totally lost the whole time), Alvin Lee, Jimmy Vaughn, Eric Johnson,....oy, so many more I can't recall at the moment. There were 14 greats onstage at the same time. (Cinderella doesn't count)
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#260953 by Planetguy
Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:58 pm
RGMixProject wrote:
First Guitar of Rock and Roll
http://www.vintageguitar.com/22517/firs ... -and-roll/


...a Gibson ES295....i always hated those one piece P.O.S. bridge/tailpieces found on them and some early LP's! Not Les' best invention by a long shot. Hey, everyone has a bad day sometime.

I think an argument can be that the first R&R gtr was a GIBSON 350 that first came out in '47.

Barney Kessel had one w one single coil "Charlie Christian pickup" and though he used it to play jazz back in the day...he later used it on many of his R&R studio dates.

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#260954 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:05 pm
joseph1122539 wrote:
yod wrote:I hang out with people like that...and this, sir, is super-human talent.
https://vimeo.com/90166718


He plays very nicely!
But super-human? That's your opinion, cool.
He is very talented, but I don't consider that to be "super-human".


Good. I'll give you two weeks to learn it.

And if you can play that, I'll waive my fee and learn that Sitar part in the first Nag video you showed. That's how you can pay for my time. Deal?




You see, playing the piano is simple, all you have to do is press the right key at the right time, what's so hard about that? :wink:
A child could do it ...
https://youtu.be/e3oNVmSaMsE
https://youtu.be/syn2k4Sx3bs



Actually it requires all fingers on both hands, and a vast knowledge of music theory in several different keys.

:lol:


Seriously though....Pawel studied under the greatest Classical composer/conducter/pianist in Poland for 20 years. He was forced to rehearse 6 to 8 hours per day for most of his life until the age of 25.

That little clip ain't nothing. Remember...he's making it up as he goes. I'll see if I can find a few more of those to post for ya. (Might not have the hard-drive with me on this tour)

You ought to see him on something he's a little familiar with.
#260957 by Planetguy
Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:14 pm
i thinks this "all fingers" obsession of your's is kinda funny, ted. first off.....most decent gtrsts who've been playing even a short time use all their left hand fingers. big whoop.

but it's been explained to you (way more than once) that you DON'T use all your fingers on a sitar.....that's NOT how the instrument is played.

they are very different instruments w different playing techniques... but you're still using this silly "all fingers..." talking point???

sorry , man...that's only reinforcing how little you appear to know about sitar and what's involved w playing one.

what's next....you're gonna rail about violinists who don't have the same skills playing w a flat pick as great gtrsts??? :wink:
#261026 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:28 pm
And Ted, I forgot the BIG LP standard guy before Page..........CLAPTON!!! That LP Standard through that JTM-45 Marshall set THE tone for R&R 3 years before Page picked one up. That Mayall album started it all. That was the moment R&R switched from the hollow-body P90 to the solid-body humbucker.


yawn....

When you think of Clapton, what guitar do you see in his hands?

Not many people even knew who Clapton was back in those days. My friend, Rocky Athas, is playing with Mayall now....who knows that?

Did you see that the Yardbirds are touring???




Planetguy wrote:i thinks this "all fingers" obsession of your's is kinda funny, ted. first off.....most decent gtrsts who've been playing even a short time use all their left hand fingers. big whoop.

but it's been explained to you (way more than once) that you DON'T use all your fingers on a sitar.....that's NOT how the instrument is played.

they are very different instruments w different playing techniques... but you're still using this silly "all fingers..." talking point???

sorry , man...that's only reinforcing how little you appear to know about sitar and what's involved w playing one.



This is simply physics, bro.

On one hand, it is easier to coordinate one finger than it is to coordinate 5 moving in symphony.

On the other hand, it is easy to compare a finger-picking technique that uses all fingers as taking more advanced ability than a simple plucking technique. That's why Jerry Reed is a better player than say, BB King. That statement has nothing to do with whose style you like more...just an objective measurement of difficulty of performance.

In the video we are discussing, Nag plays a very simple finger-picking pattern droning in an open key. Again I ask...why do you think that is so hard to imitate? did you watch it?



what's next....you're gonna rail about violinists who don't have the same skills playing w a flat pick as great gtrsts??? :wink:


Objectively speaking, on average a violin is much more difficult than a guitar for several reasons: No frets, smaller fret area, bows/plucking, etc....so comparing musicians who play another instrument would depend on the difficulty of the piece they are performing.

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#261034 by Planetguy
Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:24 pm
This is simply physics, bro.

On one hand, it is easier to coordinate one finger than it is to coordinate 5 moving in symphony.


LOL!

tell ya what....take two wks and get back to me when you can blaze up and down the fingerboard like Django using TWO FINGERS!!!! cos' in your logic, it's MUCH more impressive and some sign of prowess to use all fingers! :lol: :lol: :lol:

yeah, Django was great and all ...but think of how VERY MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE he might have been playing the same stuff but with ALL his fingers!!! :lol:

And for extra credit...take another two wks and show me how you can groove funky 1/16 notes on bass using just your left hand index finger like Rocco Prestia!

yeah, cos THAT's waaaaaay easier to do w only ONE FINGER!!! why, anyone here could do it, right? :lol: :lol: :lol:

i wonder... are you less impressed w great upright bassists who mostly use just their right hand index finger to pluck the string than let's say...even mediocre electric bassists who pluck w index and middle??!!!! :D




On the other hand, it is easy to compare a finger-picking technique that uses all fingers as taking more advanced ability than a simple plucking technique. That's why Jerry Reed is a better player than say, BB King. That statement has nothing to do with whose style you like more...just an objective measurement of difficulty of performance.


ted, you need to look up th eword "objective". :lol:

that's about as SUBJECTIVE as it gets because you're using YOUR definition of what makes a "better" player. could BB do what Reed did? nope. could Reed play blues like BB? nope.

In the video we are discussing, Nag plays a very simple finger-picking pattern droning in an open key. Again I ask...why do you think that is so hard to imitate? did you watch it?


i'll ask YOU...why do YOU think it's a "simple fingerpicking pattern".....you demonstrate again and your lack of knowledge of the instrument. get back to us when you can play that "simple fingerpicking pattern"



what's next....you're gonna rail about violinists who don't have the same skills playing w a flat pick as great gtrsts??? :wink:


Objectively speaking, on average a violin is much more difficult than a guitar for several reasons: No frets, smaller fret area, bows/plucking, etc....so comparing musicians who play another instrument would depend on the difficulty of the piece they are performing.



....and more subjectivity there. w/o playing an instrument (as you clearly and OBJECTIVELY demonstrate)....you have no idea how difficult or easy something is. and i know for a fact that the gal who plays fiddle and guitar in my BG band would tell you playing guitar is much harder for her.
#261040 by J-HALEY
Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:02 pm
yod wrote:
And Ted, I forgot the BIG LP standard guy before Page..........CLAPTON!!! That LP Standard through that JTM-45 Marshall set THE tone for R&R 3 years before Page picked one up. That Mayall album started it all. That was the moment R&R switched from the hollow-body P90 to the solid-body humbucker.


yawn....

When you think of Clapton, what guitar do you see in his hands?

Not many people even knew who Clapton was back in those days. My friend, Rocky Athas, is playing with Mayall now....who knows that?

Did you see that the Yardbirds are touring???




Planetguy wrote:i thinks this "all fingers" obsession of your's is kinda funny, ted. first off.....most decent gtrsts who've been playing even a short time use all their left hand fingers. big whoop.

but it's been explained to you (way more than once) that you DON'T use all your fingers on a sitar.....that's NOT how the instrument is played.

they are very different instruments w different playing techniques... but you're still using this silly "all fingers..." talking point???

sorry , man...that's only reinforcing how little you appear to know about sitar and what's involved w playing one.



This is simply physics, bro.

On one hand, it is easier to coordinate one finger than it is to coordinate 5 moving in symphony.

On the other hand, it is easy to compare a finger-picking technique that uses all fingers as taking more advanced ability than a simple plucking technique. That's why Jerry Reed is a better player than say, BB King. That statement has nothing to do with whose style you like more...just an objective measurement of difficulty of performance.

In the video we are discussing, Nag plays a very simple finger-picking pattern droning in an open key. Again I ask...why do you think that is so hard to imitate? did you watch it?



what's next....you're gonna rail about violinists who don't have the same skills playing w a flat pick as great gtrsts??? :wink:


Objectively speaking, on average a violin is much more difficult than a guitar for several reasons: No frets, smaller fret area, bows/plucking, etc....so comparing musicians who play another instrument would depend on the difficulty of the piece they are performing.

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I use to go see Rocky Athas and his band Lightening all the time in the 80's wow what a player!
#261081 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:02 pm
Planetguy wrote:
This is simply physics, bro.

On one hand, it is easier to coordinate one finger than it is to coordinate 5 moving in symphony.


LOL!

tell ya what....take two wks and get back to me when you can blaze up and down the fingerboard like Django using TWO FINGERS!!!! cos' in your logic, it's MUCH more impressive and some sign of prowess to use all fingers! :lol: :lol: :lol:

yeah, Django was great and all ...but think of how VERY MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE he might have been playing the same stuff but with ALL his fingers!!! :lol:

And for extra credit...take another two wks and show me how you can groove funky 1/16 notes on bass using just your left hand index finger like Rocco Prestia!

yeah, cos THAT's waaaaaay easier to do w only ONE FINGER!!! why, anyone here could do it, right? :lol: :lol: :lol:

i wonder... are you less impressed w great upright bassists who mostly use just their right hand index finger to pluck the string than let's say...even mediocre electric bassists who pluck w index and middle??!!!! :D




On the other hand, it is easy to compare a finger-picking technique that uses all fingers as taking more advanced ability than a simple plucking technique. That's why Jerry Reed is a better player than say, BB King. That statement has nothing to do with whose style you like more...just an objective measurement of difficulty of performance.


ted, you need to look up th eword "objective". :lol:

that's about as SUBJECTIVE as it gets because you're using YOUR definition of what makes a "better" player. could BB do what Reed did? nope. could Reed play blues like BB? nope.

In the video we are discussing, Nag plays a very simple finger-picking pattern droning in an open key. Again I ask...why do you think that is so hard to imitate? did you watch it?


i'll ask YOU...why do YOU think it's a "simple fingerpicking pattern".....you demonstrate again and your lack of knowledge of the instrument. get back to us when you can play that "simple fingerpicking pattern"



what's next....you're gonna rail about violinists who don't have the same skills playing w a flat pick as great gtrsts??? :wink:


Objectively speaking, on average a violin is much more difficult than a guitar for several reasons: No frets, smaller fret area, bows/plucking, etc....so comparing musicians who play another instrument would depend on the difficulty of the piece they are performing.



....and more subjectivity there. w/o playing an instrument (as you clearly and OBJECTIVELY demonstrate)....you have no idea how difficult or easy something is. and i know for a fact that the gal who plays fiddle and guitar in my BG band would tell you playing guitar is much harder for her.




Its a shame that a decent musician like yourself has so many problems with simple comprehension of the english language....and doesn't understand basic concepts of physics to boot!?

You are trying so hard to mischaracterize what I've said that it must hurt your tongue to get that crooked?

So let's try relating with another genre. How about sports? Some people think that darts are a sport, while some think that football is a sport.

You can compare between the top people in darts vs football and objectively determine that one of those sports are more demanding than the other, and therefore, the football player is a better athlete than the dart player.

Both require a lifetime of committed discipline to master...but the master of one of those is doing something more demanding and therefore can be judged as a better athlete, though both hold best-in-the-world status of what they do.

With a couple of weeks of intense training, I could play darts enough to finish a game. I would not be as good as someone who had committed their lives to the sport, but I could finish a game without injury or physical difficulty.

But football is a much more demanding sport, and at my age I would be risking injury and not likely I could keep up to the speed of younger players who have committed themselves to being the best at their position.

Yet, I could play the game..

But I know that I can not physically keep up with a professional without having to practice once. Not so with a dart champion. They could destroy me in a dart game by virture of being committed to practicing all the time..... but I'm physically capable of playing a game with them

I know that by simply observing how much the dart player physically exerts....but I'm not as confident I could finish a game with the football player. I can simply observe that they are doing something much more demanding, physically.

Are you capable of making such an obvious judgement? Are you capable of making an intellectually honest comparison? I see little evidence that you are, but go ahead and surprise me.

Or will you continue acting like I said something else and argue with that straw man some more?
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#261082 by Planetguy
Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:22 pm
thanks for clearly demonstrating that it's YOU who suffers comprehension problems!

you're obsessed w using all fingers....i addressed that.

you believe gtr technique and sitar are similar....i addressed that.

you believe she's using simple fingerpicking technique....i addressed that.

what silly argument have you made that i HAVEN'T addressed????

and the latest laugh....you claim IT'S ME who likes to change the subject...as you now want to talk about darts and football!!! :lol:

thanks for the laughs, ted. man...the stuff you reach for to WIN an argument!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
#261083 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:27 pm
Planetguy wrote:thanks for clearly demonstrating that it's YOU who suffers comprehension problems!

you're obsessed w using all fingers....i addressed that.

you believe gtr technique and sitar are similar....i addressed that.

you believe she's using simple fingerpicking technique....i addressed that.

and the latest laugh....you claim IT'S ME who likes to change the subject...as you now want to talk about darts and football!!! :lol:

thanks for the laughs, ted. man...the stuff you reach for to WIN an argument!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:



So predictable you are!?



what silly argument have you made that i HAVEN'T addressed????


You've address nothing...but made some very silly arguments.



And also worked hard to avoid noticing the points I made.

So are you now saying that the world's greatest dart player is as much an athlete as the world's greatest football player?


That's what you've been saying....care to change your tune?



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#261084 by schmedidiah
Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:28 pm
Been following the Jimmy Page vs Nag Sitar debate (or trying to).

"Not a word I heard could I relate" - Robert Plant, Kashmir

:roll:
#261085 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:35 pm
Planetguy wrote:
yod wrote:
When you think of Clapton, what guitar do you see in his hands?



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Thanks for making my point on this one.

When you think of Jimmy Page what guitar do you see in his hands?

There's the acoustic, there's the SG double-neck on some songs, but when he plays live the guitar in his hands 90% of the time is......

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