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#249573 by DainNobody
Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:07 pm
jookeyman wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bRTFr0ytA8

This is considered the landmark free jazz album my most Musicologist.
Notice the swing?
Coleman was famous for playing random melody lines. He didn't stick to an established 'structure', meaning key, meter, mode, scale, etc. Some of his melody lines are quite good and he gets off making 'horsey' sounds on his sax.

On this recording he recorded two quartets at the same time playing off each other. One is panned left, the other right.

He also got run out of most venues he played and even got beat up because he drove traditional jazz cats nuts.
.. you really know your stuff jookeyman, now you got me studying Ornette Coleman, the Los Angeles jazz crowd said he played out of tune..shame..
he played "in the cracks" LMAO..
from wikipedia:

From the beginning of his career, Coleman's music and playing were in many ways unorthodox. His approach to harmony and chord progression was far less rigid than that of bebop performers; he was increasingly interested in playing what he heard rather than fitting it into predetermined chorus-structures and harmonies. His raw, highly vocalized sound and penchant for playing "in the cracks" of the scale led many Los Angeles jazz musicians to regard Coleman's playing as out-of-tune. He sometimes had difficulty finding like-minded musicians with whom to perform. Nevertheless, pianist Paul Bley was an early supporter and musical collaborator.
#249637 by Planetguy
Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:57 pm
jookeyman wrote:
Planetguy wrote: while those genres do have "outside" playing.....it's also quite common for someone to play "outside" on music that's straight ahead.


Mark, you're right on there. Here's one of the best examples I could find on YouTube-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7SXRp4iOrM

What can be sicker than a sax player playing 'out' with a guitarist playing dissonant jabs & turnarounds to a boogie shuffle? BTW- the name of this band is Phalanx, not the song.
I got turned on to Ulmer when I heard Vernon Reid was collaborating w/ him on some blues project years ago. I picked up a Phalanx recording and I'm going 'leave him alone, Vernon! He doesn't need your help!'


that was alright. that's a gtr tone that ain't gonna work on Stella By Starlight but worked perfectly well in that stew!

i checked out this Happy Apple tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im7nnvvIrPo

i seriously hope the bassman does some good warm up stretching exercises before the gig...cos' that's some seeeeeeerious Bobble Head action he's got going on!

i'm a big fan of the sax/bass/drums lineup and love playing bass w/o a harmony instrument there. it's probably my favorite Planet Jazz lineup...i know it's my wife's. (she swears it ain't cos she don't dig my vibes and gtr playing but well.....the girl COULD be lyin'!)

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