General Music Chat

That is a fairly astute observation Cliff.

But there is no way in HELL I'm going to listen to those tracks you listed lol:

So, you don't like that music. Don't make a big deal out of it.

In all honesty Cliff, it was intended as a joke.
But sense you can neither accept explanations nor take a joke ... go phuck yourself.

I'll express my opinions without cracker comments from pussies like you any damn time I please.

Don't go away mad ... just go away.


Please

AAAHHH, It's MRGLAMBERT out to play.
Listen man, these guys will shred you faster than a speeding bullet.
Why don't you come up here with a whole new tack..... Like looking for some friends.
I sorta feel bad for you,,, This is NOT FACEBOOK.
I read some of your other posts and I can see why the the mood is not going your way.

Once again this is not FACEBOOK. Most of the guys that hang here have earned the right to express some really tough opinions.

When you get Sans that ticked off you must have really crossed the line.
Sorry dude.

There are tons of new and creative musical forms happening. However, it is no longer confined to US and UK. There are major musical happenings in Europe, south America and Asia.

Musical forms that are almost at English invasion levels in record sales are Nightwish, Megatdeth, JudasPriest and Metallica - just in metal.

Lessor bands are knocking it out of the park wtih various European folk rythyms, blues is alive and well, outlaw country is sounder better and better, there is an American Heavy Metal band called Jason and the Scorchers who play country (it works somehow) plus many hookups of the better rock / metal bands with orchestras. Everybody genre jumping all over the place.

All this seems small to those of us who lived the sixties and seventies but that perception is incorrect - the only real difference is that a) the sixties / seventies stuff userhed in a new era, and b) the more modern music is often at a much higher profieciency level. Record sales, concert draw etc is off the charts in many genres at this time.

Just my .02

Talbot

Acid country disco seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle.

There are tons of new and creative musical forms happening. However, it is no longer confined to US and UK. There are major musical happenings in Europe, south America and Asia.

Musical forms that are almost at English invasion levels in record sales are Nightwish, Megatdeth, JudasPriest and Metallica - just in metal.

Lessor bands are knocking it out of the park wtih various European folk rythyms, blues is alive and well, outlaw country is sounder better and better, there is an American Heavy Metal band called Jason and the Scorchers who play country (it works somehow) plus many hookups of the better rock / metal bands with orchestras. Everybody genre jumping all over the place.

All this seems small to those of us who lived the sixties and seventies but that perception is incorrect - the only real difference is that a) the sixties / seventies stuff userhed in a new era, and b) the more modern music is often at a much higher profieciency level. Record sales, concert draw etc is off the charts in many genres at this time.

Just my .02

Talbot

Its a mad scramble to the inevitable destination...Which is the discovery.. that the song (And not the style or genre) is the thing. However, lest we forget, such an almighty emperor still needs the clothes...so, my hat is off to these scramblers. They are the tailors of our times.

By modern standards, music today is not so much about creating new genres, but rather making an existing genre interesting again, or mixing and matching genres. Also starting with MTV, the way music was marketed changed. Image became just as important as the music, and different genres had different images, and different images would develope as new sounds were explored in a given genre.

By modern standards, music today is not so much about creating new genres, but rather making an existing genre interesting again, or mixing and matching genres. Also starting with MTV, the way music was marketed changed. Image became just as important as the music, and different genres had different images, and different images would develope as new sounds were explored in a given genre.

I think image was important well before MTV. Perhaps you've heard of these guys:



It amazes me that people can attack modern pop music for being too "commercial" and "manufactured," then go back to listening to Beatles records with no sense of irony. Sure, the Beatles eventually became a uniquely inventive band that changed the face of popular music forever. But at the start of their career, they were basically just a really good garage band with a really smart manager. They created the music, but Brian Epstein created the image that drove Beatlemania -- and it was only because of that that they were allowed their later creative freedom.

Oh, and even before the Beatles, early rock and roll was basically rhythm and blues with white people added. Mixing and matching sounds is nothing new; all musicians do that. It only becomes a "genre" when enough people do it the same way that the critics decide they need a new word for it.

It amazes me that people can attack modern pop music for being too "commercial" and "manufactured," then go back to listening to Beatles records with no sense of irony.

In addition to their knack for song-writing, they had a knack for the ability to follow or exceed the required commercial formats... Most bands /artists don't understand that today. Especially the ones who are critical of commercial/manufactured delivery. It doesn't make them less of an artist than anybody..it just speaks to the mis assumptions folks might have about commercial song-writing.

Sure, the Beatles eventually became a uniquely inventive band that changed the face of popular music forever. But at the start of their career, they were basically just a really good garage band with a really smart manager. They created the music, but Brian Epstein created the image that drove Beatlemania -- and it was only because of that that they were allowed their later creative freedom.

This is essentially correct, except for the part where McCartney and Lennon already had their SW approach established, even before their first label. Later, It was John Lennon who later told Epstein and Decca records how the song writing was gonna go...He made it clear it was not really up for debate. Their creative freedom started immediately with their first label. When you think about it, it was that freedom which immediately set them apart in the industry.

Oh, and even before the Beatles, early rock and roll was basically rhythm and blues with white people added.

Oh My...Surely, you know about Chuck Berry and Little Richard...These guys are the Great Grand dads of Rock 'n Roll, and they were a direct inspiration to the Beatles

Oh, and even before the Beatles, early rock and roll was basically rhythm and blues with white people added.

Oh My...Surely, you know about Chuck Berry and Little Richard...These guys are the Great Grand dads of Rock 'n Roll, and they were a direct inspiration to the Beatles

I meant that with tongue held very firmly in cheek.

I grew up in the '80s and '90s, so I'm not all that familar with early rock from the 50s and 60s, in terms of image. But I'm pretty sure that The Beatles or Elvis Presley, didn't make and market music videos like Michael Jackson, Madonna, Adam Lambert, U2, and numerous other bands and many solo artists from the 80s-2012 make. Image back then was more focused on live appearances, TV appearances and long-form documentaries. Also during the 50s, 60s and 70s era of rock, the radio single was much more popular. Today, when a single is released, it is usually accompanied by a music video. And today, when someone DOES release a single without a video, it usually doesn't do well on the charts, but back before music videos became the main way to market music, it was all about, well, the music.

I'd like to apologize for my out burst.

This guy Cliff is as aggravating as a dog ass gnat at a watermelon eating contest.

I generally don't believe in censorship, but I'm going to have to put on a block ...

I'd like to apologize for my out burst.

This guy Cliff is as aggravating as a dog ass gnat at a watermelon eating contest.

I generally don't believe in censorship, but I'm going to have to put on a block ...

For what reason? Why is there so much hate from my side of the things, whenever I try to participate in something that's music related?

I'd like to apologize for my out burst.

This guy Cliff is as aggravating as a dog ass gnat at a watermelon eating contest.

I generally don't believe in censorship, but I'm going to have to put on a block ...

For what reason? Why is there so much hate from my side of the things, whenever I try to participate in something that's music related?

Clifford, you idiot.. If you are going to hang here, at least show the decency of being honest and stop lying to yourself.

I'd like to apologize for my out burst.

This guy Cliff is as aggravating as a dog ass gnat at a watermelon eating contest.

I generally don't believe in censorship, but I'm going to have to put on a block ...

For what reason? Why is there so much hate from my side of the things, whenever I try to participate in something that's music related?

Clifford, you idiot.. If you are going to hang here, at least show the decency of being honest and stop lying to yourself.

I am honest! I have been honest with EVERYBODY here! If I wasn't honest, I wouldn't even be here.

Stop with all of the hate!

I'd like to apologize for my out burst.

This guy Cliff is as aggravating as a dog ass gnat at a watermelon eating contest.

I generally don't believe in censorship, but I'm going to have to put on a block ...

For what reason? Why is there so much hate from my side of the things, whenever I try to participate in something that's music related?

Clifford, you idiot.. If you are going to hang here, at least show the decency of being honest and stop lying to yourself.

I am honest! I have been honest with EVERYBODY here! If I wasn't honest, I wouldn't even be here.

Stop with all of the hate!

PaperDog, I admire and respect you, so I will say this as politely as possible: Please shut the hell up. At least Cliff's on-topic for a change.

(See? I was polite and said "please.")

And Cliff, don't even bother responding to them. I think it will be better for all of us that way.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to go back to posting crackpot theories and misinformed generalizations about music genres now. The only difference between Beethoven's Fifth and "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida" is "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida" has that drum solo!

I'd like to apologize for my out burst.

This guy Cliff is as aggravating as a dog ass gnat at a watermelon eating contest.

I generally don't believe in censorship, but I'm going to have to put on a block ...

For what reason? Why is there so much hate from my side of the things, whenever I try to participate in something that's music related?

Clifford, you idiot.. If you are going to hang here, at least show the decency of being honest and stop lying to yourself.

I am honest! I have been honest with EVERYBODY here! If I wasn't honest, I wouldn't even be here.

Stop with all of the hate!

PaperDog, I admire and respect you, so I will say this as politely as possible: Please shut the hell up. At least Cliff's on-topic for a change.

(See? I was polite and said "please.")

And Cliff, don't even bother responding to them. I think it will be better for all of us that way.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to go back to posting crackpot theories and misinformed generalizations about music genres now. The only difference between Beethoven's Fifth and "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida" is "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida" has that drum solo!

Penguin, You seem like a bright young fella...So, I will repay you with the same kindness... I will shut the f**k up when you stop the f**k pretending to be an intellectual peace making hippy (You are way too precocious) .... with Clifford here. Seriously dude, you're getting played... and its embarrassing. You aren't a hero young man, not today. If you ever want to know the reason why I'm 1000 percent sure of that, you'll have to ask me directly ... BTW Where did you go to school, I am curious.