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#168331 by PaperDog
Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:21 am
JCP61 wrote:
PaperDog wrote:I Promised myself to ignore you and not listen... By My curiosity got the best of me.

In short... (My opinion only) It has some 'prettyness' about it , which speaks volumes for that lovely instrument we know to be the violin...(I could tell this was keyboard generated . There is only one guy I know who can pull that off with flying colors (Max Richter)) The track is adequate, but it doesn't 'move'. Seems to suspend in a fixed spot for the duration of the piece. Not really memorable...

It seems you attempted to open this up as a Sonata (classical form) ... But, You never made it past the first section. ( Was this supposed to be part of a bigger piece?)

There were parts of the piano that did not agree with the violin. A clash of roles... If the Gift is about dabbling with an artifact, unraveling it, discovering its contents... All I got was the 'dabbling with it' part


In classical terms, Your violin playing probably wouldn't make the 1st, 2nd or 3rd chair... But It suffices for the pop audience... (Might even be plausible in a greenich Village coffee house....)


well i hoped you wouldn't bother
cause I really didn't want to hear about the terms and people you googled recently just to say something bad about it.


Oh come now , Mr JC... I said nothing bad at all about your piece. I gave you an honest assessment...which is far more than you have ever offered.

it would take several paragraphs to answer all your wrong assumptions.
but seriously, what would it serve?


Spoken like a true Ivory- tower associate.. . Indeed Mr. JC; What would it serve? Please don't ever knock yourself out...Far be it from me to insist that you do.

Ive actually listen to some top notch musicians in a Greenwich village coffee house and my daughter and her husband use these places to keep many good classical musicians employed.
yes if you must know, some of them are black some of them are hispanic and some of them are gay. some of them are a mixture of all three. at least that's the rumor.


Like I said before, your piece would work very well for that audience (I was not kidding) . But if you were trying to convince anybody or give them the impression that you composed a bonafied classical piece... Sorry, You didnt..

Hendrix was discovered in a Greenwich village coffee house, so the story goes.
and just so you know "sonata" just means "a piece that is played", it doesn't really mean anything more than that.


I hope you sue your music teachers..They need a serious ass-whipping. For the record, (Just to annoy you), I'm posting this Wiki definition of a Sonata... And please spare us the agony of your pious counter-points... You cannot win... Your piece started as an exposition, and it leaves the listener hanging.. Be a real man and just admit it...and then move on to improve your compositional skills.

Sonata form is a large-scale musical structure used widely since the middle of the 18th century (the early Classical period). While it is typically used in the first movement of multi-movement pieces, it is sometimes used in subsequent movements as well?particularly the final movement. The teaching of sonata form in music theory rests on a standard definition and a series of hypotheses about the underlying reasons for the durability and variety of the form?a definition that arose in the second quarter of the 19th century[1]. There is little disagreement that on the largest level, the form consists of three main sections: an exposition, a development, and a recapitulation;[2] however, beneath this, sonata form is difficult to pin down in terms of a single model.

#168337 by JCP61
Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:28 am
you really believe your a clever guy don't you?
if your such a musicologist how com it doesn't show in your own writing.
or is making racist propaganda the only thing in reach of your stubby fingers?

well we can agree that Wikipedia has tried to pin down the definition of sonata.
you'll never convince me that you had one before this moment.
or perhaps you contributed to the article?
no? I didn't think so.
I am not an educated musician, I have never had lesson in my life.
I taught myself every thing I know, not that some very good people haven't helped.
my definition came from a question I asked my son in law when i wrote a short piano piece, and I asked him what the term meant and if it would apply.
you know, running around trying to be a smart ass by googeling everything everyone says to you, is tedious and boring.
I don't really think this will make you more intelligent, doing it while people watch makes you look like a fool.

my piece is not a sonata and I didn't use the term, you did.
even though it has some of the requirements you cited.
but of course some knowledge you just can't google up.

#168342 by Cajundaddy
Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:26 pm
Hey PD,
I generally like your music and I disagree with JC on many things music related but in this case he is dead on. You sound like an arrogant azzwipe. Reel it in. Take that log out of your own eye bro. :wink:

#168351 by Starfish Scott
Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:40 pm
Eeeeeek this thread is going supernova too..

(yikes)

#168381 by PaperDog
Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:27 pm
Thejohnny7band wrote:Hey PD,
I generally like your music and I disagree with JC on many things music related but in this case he is dead on. You sound like an arrogant azzwipe. Reel it in. Take that log out of your own eye bro. :wink:


What is arrogant here Johnny? Me handing Mr JC his ass after he made baseless ignorant accusations about the "intentions of my music,. I just feed morons back what they deserve... Thanks for calling me an asswipe..It was uncalled for... Now go f**k yourself.

#168382 by PaperDog
Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:36 pm
JCP61 wrote:you really believe your a clever guy don't you?
if your such a musicologist how com it doesn't show in your own writing.
or is making racist propaganda the only thing in reach of your stubby fingers?

well we can agree that Wikipedia has tried to pin down the definition of sonata.
you'll never convince me that you had one before this moment.
or perhaps you contributed to the article?
no? I didn't think so.
I am not an educated musician, I have never had lesson in my life.
I taught myself every thing I know, not that some very good people haven't helped.
my definition came from a question I asked my son in law when i wrote a short piano piece, and I asked him what the term meant and if it would apply.
you know, running around trying to be a smart ass by googeling everything everyone says to you, is tedious and boring.
I don't really think this will make you more intelligent, doing it while people watch makes you look like a fool.

my piece is not a sonata and I didn't use the term, you did.
even though it has some of the requirements you cited.
but of course some knowledge you just can't google up.


You don't need to convince me of your lack of education, it shows itself clearly. When I asked you if your music was part of a bigger piece, (as in Sonata) I was serious... I RECOGNIZED some of the attributes... But only an
outrageous asshole, like yourself, would allow his own ego to pile up over his own perspective. Whats the matter JC ? does your pu**y hurt today? You have nothing... Now get back on that perpetual merry-go-round of yours and go fix yourself another drink...

#168395 by JCP61
Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:43 pm
PaperDog wrote:
JCP61 wrote:you really believe your a clever guy don't you?
if your such a musicologist how com it doesn't show in your own writing.
or is making racist propaganda the only thing in reach of your stubby fingers?

well we can agree that Wikipedia has tried to pin down the definition of sonata.
you'll never convince me that you had one before this moment.
or perhaps you contributed to the article?
no? I didn't think so.
I am not an educated musician, I have never had lesson in my life.
I taught myself every thing I know, not that some very good people haven't helped.
my definition came from a question I asked my son in law when i wrote a short piano piece, and I asked him what the term meant and if it would apply.
you know, running around trying to be a smart ass by googeling everything everyone says to you, is tedious and boring.
I don't really think this will make you more intelligent, doing it while people watch makes you look like a fool.

my piece is not a sonata and I didn't use the term, you did.
even though it has some of the requirements you cited.
but of course some knowledge you just can't google up.


You don't need to convince me of your lack of education, it shows itself clearly. When I asked you if your music was part of a bigger piece, (as in Sonata) I was serious... I RECOGNIZED some of the attributes... But only an
outrageous asshole, like yourself, would allow his own ego to pile up over his own perspective. Whats the matter JC ? does your pu**y hurt today? You have nothing... Now get back on that perpetual merry-go-round of yours and go fix yourself another drink...


It's interesting that your musical brilliance only shows up as critical commentary. but never in your music.

#168399 by Cajundaddy
Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:06 pm
PaperDog wrote:
Thejohnny7band wrote:Hey PD,
I generally like your music and I disagree with JC on many things music related but in this case he is dead on. You sound like an arrogant azzwipe. Reel it in. Take that log out of your own eye bro. :wink:


What is arrogant here Johnny? Me handing Mr JC his ass after he made baseless ignorant accusations about the "intentions of my music,. I just feed morons back what they deserve... Thanks for calling me an asswipe..It was uncalled for... Now go f**k yourself.


Just to be completely clear so there are no misunderstandings, this would be the [ sounds like an arrogant azzwipe] part:
"I hope you sue your music teachers..They need a serious ass-whipping. For the record, (Just to annoy you), I'm posting this Wiki definition of a Sonata... And please spare us the agony of your pious counter-points... You cannot win... Your piece started as an exposition, and it leaves the listener hanging.. Be a real man and just admit it...and then move on to improve your compositional skills."

It's ok PD, I forgive you. We all have room to grow in our faith and sometimes our human frailties just squirt out all over other people. What would Jesus do here? Suggested reading: Matthew 5:39

http://provocativechristian.wordpress.c ... her-cheek/

#168401 by JazzAnarchy
Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:20 pm
"out of place?"

No, with all the venom, I'd say this thread is in good company...

:?

#168402 by J-HALEY
Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:52 pm
Chief Engineer Scott wrote:Eeeeeek this thread is going supernova too..

(yikes)


You are Awesome Cap'n! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

#168403 by J-HALEY
Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:53 pm
JazzAnarchy wrote:"out of place?"

No, with all the venom, I'd say this thread is in good company...

:?


And so are you JA! :wink:

#168404 by Starfish Scott
Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:54 pm
JazzAnarchy wrote:"out of place?"

No, with all the venom, I'd say this thread is in good company...

:?


Your sarcasm is not doing us any good, although it was funny.. lol
(Probably wasn't meant to be, but what the "hey"?)

Yeah on second thought, nvm..carry on.

You'd be surprised where one can get lyrics from these days.

#168414 by PaperDog
Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:35 am
Thejohnny7band wrote:
PaperDog wrote:
Thejohnny7band wrote:Hey PD,
I generally like your music and I disagree with JC on many things music related but in this case he is dead on. You sound like an arrogant azzwipe. Reel it in. Take that log out of your own eye bro. :wink:


What is arrogant here Johnny? Me handing Mr JC his ass after he made baseless ignorant accusations about the "intentions of my music,. I just feed morons back what they deserve... Thanks for calling me an asswipe..It was uncalled for... Now go f**k yourself.


Just to be completely clear so there are no misunderstandings, this would be the [ sounds like an arrogant azzwipe] part:
"I hope you sue your music teachers..They need a serious ass-whipping. For the record, (Just to annoy you), I'm posting this Wiki definition of a Sonata... And please spare us the agony of your pious counter-points... You cannot win... Your piece started as an exposition, and it leaves the listener hanging.. Be a real man and just admit it...and then move on to improve your compositional skills."

It's ok PD, I forgive you. We all have room to grow in our faith and sometimes our human frailties just squirt out all over other people. What would Jesus do here? Suggested reading: Matthew 5:39

http://provocativechristian.wordpress.c ... her-cheek/



Johnny.. What i said in retort to you, was uncalled for on my part... I have followed your posts and music, and truthfully I hold a lot of respect for you. I was being an ass-wipe to you. ..I sincerely apologize.

(And man does Jeff have it right.. we go off and regret it all later LOL!)


Ok Mr JC... I wanna call a truce! And for the record... Just because I don't feel that your song is full classical form (I.e Sonata) doesn't meant I thought it was 'bad'. When I said it didn't 'move", I probably should have clarified that it seemed "unfinished" with respect to the potential it offered with respect to classical form. (Which is why I asked the question earlier if it was from a bigger composition. ) I know much more about classical form than I let on in this forum.. . Also, there is no way to account for classical form in a POP and ROCK genre, which is why you don't catch evidence of it in my songs.

I dont mind that you hate my songs... But to dismiss each others efforts, is not helpful or constructive.

Truce?

Peace- Out

:)
#168420 by J-HALEY
Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:54 am
JCP61 wrote:
J-HALEY wrote:
JCP61 wrote:I debated as to whether or not i should put this here.

I decided it was a mistake all round, but I finished it this morning and at the moment I have no where else to hang it.


http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11518783

i suppose It will have no more meaning to the gentlemen here than a string of pearls to an ape.


As a former violinist I absolutely love this! One question is this you playing and if so which instrument? :shock:


oh no,
performing at this level would take at least 2 weeks of constant rehearsal, at least for me it would.
I have far too many ideas, to turn them out as finished performances.
If god willing they are ever performed they will be performed by trained musicians.


So did you engineer or produce it? If not why did you post it?

#168424 by MikeTalbot
Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:44 am
PaperDog

You just fullfuilled the role of what we used to call a 'gentlemen.'

Well done.

Talbot

ps JC - I suspect you might be a gentlemen tool

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