General Music Chat

I'm hoping MP3's are just a step and the quality will eventually improve. Piracy is another mess in itself out of control and probably will be for a long time.
But we don't need digital to go away just get better.
It's a great convenience imo.




And Ronnie was a closet Neil Young fan! (as seen below)

Lynard should come out of the closet. Sorry I couldn't resist.

I went and read Neil's article. Seems like the headline of this post is far from the truth. He was quoted as saying he things digital piracy of music is the new radio. And his argument wasn't against digital music - it was against MP3's and lesser quality recordings. Steve Jobs was spearheading a project to get high def music available...

I hate it when people take something and totally twist it with a misleading caption or subject line. Please be better than that.

I went and read Neil's article. Seems like the headline of this post is far from the truth. He was quoted as saying he things digital piracy of music is the new radio. And his argument wasn't against digital music - it was against MP3's and lesser quality recordings. Steve Jobs was spearheading a project to get high def music available...

I hate it when people take something and totally twist it with a misleading caption or subject line. Please be better than that.

MP3 is by in large the majority of digitally available music.
So much so I feel your point is lost despite it being technically accurate.

If Mr young were to send me 100K to sponsor my band I'd have to thank him.
Though the sinful Adam of my nature would still want to piss on his grave.

PS. It would be nice if people would learn how to size pics so we wouldn't have to scroll just to read a thread. If it's too big to see it ain't worth looking at.

Sorry! Lemme just compress it down. It may lose quality shrinking, but it's more convenient.

(In all honesty, I was viewing it at a much smaller size than it's displaying, and didn't take the extra second to check after I posted. Sorry!)

I'm coming out of the closet


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7CiLRRP ... re=related

I've been out of the closet for years lol, "Harvest" and "After The Goldrush" are genius, but Neil has his share of clunkers too. But the man is brilliant in concert.

I've been out of the closet for years lol, "Harvest" and "After The Goldrush" are genius, but Neil has his share of clunkers too. But the man is brilliant in concert.

If you've not seen "Heart of Gold" check it out. Was a video concert shot a few years back in Nashville. Emylou Harris sings back-ups and does a duet with him.
Then I won't be far from home...
It's exsolent!!

My initial comment does not address the fact that Digital recording being so cheaply done. Makes it possible for anyone to record if that hurts the art of music worse than Yoko Ono we're doomed.
I remember listening to old vinyl years ago and don't miss the clicks and pops or trying to isolate the turntable. When the records were so scratched and dirty you try to hear the music behind it. Nope I don't miss it.
Recording to me is not so much of an Art form as the music that it captures. I started with analog stuff years ago I don't miss it either.

You really need to have a higher-end turntable and clean LP's to really enjoy vinyl, and even then you're going to have a few pops here and there. But we've done side by side comparisons and vinyl has a warmth and better lower frequency response than the same recording on CD; not sure why.

You really need to have a higher-end turntable and clean LP's to really enjoy vinyl, and even then you're going to have a few pops here and there. But we've done side by side comparisons and vinyl has a warmth and better lower frequency response than the same recording on CD; not sure why.

Yep had that BIC, Dual, Ortofon, many records I have had over the years I got 2nd hand. I do miss the Covers lol But hey I don't buy many cd's anymore except Rush or some of the musician's I've run into that needed the money playing on the streets. My fav stuff is ripped by me in Soundforge all stored on dvd's in wav format when I get it. Funny that cd's are just as easy to ruin as vinyl. The bass thing is moot when I can barely discern E from F# on a 4 string bass. We use 5string basses lol . I can feel it though and used to have some master vinyls. It's all the signal to noise thing in the end.

You really need to have a higher-end turntable and clean LP's to really enjoy vinyl, and even then you're going to have a few pops here and there. But we've done side by side comparisons and vinyl has a warmth and better lower frequency response than the same recording on CD; not sure why.

Analog uses sine wave...When laid down in the vinyl medium, as it were, that sine wave is preserved and can still come through , (even through a digital output system)

Digit is square wave, adding to that, digital clipping/clamping can kill some of the amplitude and frequency in a natural signal... When that happens, for example, a warm Bass now becomes a not-so warm-bass... Then, adding to that , digital manipulation to compensate and make the bass warm...but maybe not so natural... It just snowballs from there.

All the tech in the world just aint gonna give us the full quality of a natural signal... IMHO

On the other hand, I think that digital music wants Neil to die.

Vinyl has a terrible compression curve to reproduce the low end. Neither can it preserve the high end as much as digital. Distortion of a sine wave causes flattening of the peaks. Distortion on a digital wave results in spikes on the leading and trailing edges.

A needle banging off the walls of a groove is not as clean as digital can be. The industry just doesn't want to progress until the market is saturated and then they always "discover something newer and better" to sell us.

When stereo power amplifiers were in their infancy, 10% distortion was acceptable. And a lot of guitar amps, like Fender tube amplifiers, still have crappy slew rates and harmonic and intermodulation distortion. When solid state amps came out the distortion dropped to 5%, then 3%, then 1% and so on until we were paying just for specs. We were buying numbers, not stereo equipment. Now we have amplifiers that are delivering .005 specs and better. But a good human ear can only hear about 3% distortion.

When 24/196 conversion is used, it is hard for a trained ear to hear the difference between digital and analog. But we won't hear it as long as CD's remain sampled at 16 bits.

Regardless, I prefer digital, myself. Overly uncompressed digital, that is.