General Music Chat

Hey, I'm asking. If you're so right just answer the questions on the site and I'll be right with you.

Pick one.

Someone spent an awful lot of time and energy to support their atheist beliefs, when all they had to do was repeat this simple truth: It's not known (and most likely not knowable) if God exists. Period.

This is what bugs me about extremists. They will go to any length to validate their point of view. If religious people want to believe and have faith, what does it hurt? Yes some people twist other people's faith for profit or power. But the average religious person does not want to harm anyone and wants peace. These are good virtues. The problem then becomes identifying those malicious individuals who would take advantage of those of faith or use their power to persecute and harm people of other faiths. This includes priests who molest altar boys, Muslim terrorists, hypocrite Neo Cons and others. These people are the world's true enemy.

I would also point out to atheists that is entirely possible that a supreme being did in fact create the universe but is somehow outside of it and unable to communicate with us, or us with Him. Again, not knowable, which make arguing about this subject interesting but ultimately pointless.

Someone spent an awful lot of time and energy to support their atheist beliefs, when all they had to do was repeat this simple truth: It's not known (and most likely not knowable) if God exists. Period.

Atheists spend time and energy to counter the vastly more pervasive religious propaganda.

This is what bugs me about extremists. They will go to any length to validate their point of view. If religious people want to believe and have faith, what does it hurt? Yes some people twist other people's faith for profit or power.

First, if someone is going to propagate information on a subject, the first thing they should ask, “Is it true?” There’s enough lies and bullshit to go around. We don’t need more. Second, the functionality of religion is no longer what it was centuries ago. It is retarding human progress; in science, in social development, and in critical thinking generally.

But the average religious person does not want to harm anyone and wants peace. These are good virtues.

The average religious person gives credibility and authority to the extremists. They are enablers.

The problem then becomes identifying those malicious individuals who would take advantage of those of faith or use their power to persecute and harm people of other faiths. This includes priests who molest altar boys, Muslim terrorists, hypocrite Neo Cons and others. These people are the world's true enemy.

These people hide behind a façade of righteousness. That façade is supported by people unwilling to question their own beliefs. The people who are more open to ask questions and research their faith are more likely to become atheists. People who understand the least of their own religion grip it the tightest.

I would also point out to atheists that is entirely possible that a supreme being did in fact create the universe but is somehow outside of it and unable to communicate with us, or us with Him. Again, not knowable, which make arguing about this subject interesting but ultimately pointless.

What you know and don’t can be measured against the claims of religion. In the end it becomes as pointless as debating the existence of Unicorns or Leprechauns. The likelihood of their existence is so slim you may as well just admit they don’t exist.
But, I will say that Buddhism is a possible exception to many flaws of theism. Buddhists accept new information and change their beliefs accordingly. Advances in quantum physics were only possible because of Eastern religions like Buddhism and Hinduism.
"...now I am become Death [Shiva], the destroyer of worlds..."
Physicist Robert Oppenheimer
Supervising Scientist Manhattan Project
on 16 July 1945 at 0529 HRS,
in the Jornada del Muerto desert near
the Trinity site in the White Sands Missile Range.
...quoting from the Bhagavad-Gita upon
witnessing first atomic detonation by mankind.

Atheism is illogical.

Without a personal experience with God, the only LOGICAL position is agnosticism.


Atheists believe Christians to be foolish, because they believe something exists without physical evidence to prove it. And yet atheists also make a definitive statement, claiming that God DOES NOT EXIST, and yet they have no evidence to prove their view either. And still they take an absolute position on it.

No one can DISPROVE the existence of God.

It isn't possible to do.

Atheism is illogical.

It is logic that brings atheists to their conclusion on the absence of an all-powerful father-figure (using Judeo-Christian /Muslim theology as an example) who “magically” comes into existence himself (Who created God?) and is unable and / or unwilling to reveal himself to the “unbelievers.” He does a pretty good job of hiding for guy trying to win over worshippers. This doesn’t even begin to approach the exaggerated claims and contradictions of said deity.

Without a personal experience with God, the only LOGICAL position is agnosticism.

The mental hospitals are filled with folks having “personal experience” with lots of things. It doesn’t make it true. And somehow “Atheism is IL-LOGICAL?”

Atheists believe Christians to be foolish, because they believe something exists without physical evidence to prove it.

“This doesn’t even begin to approach the exaggerated claims and contradictions of said deity.”

And yet atheists also make a definitive statement, claiming that God DOES NOT EXIST, and yet they have no evidence to prove their view either.
And still they take an absolute position on it.

Atheism’s only DEFINITIVE statement is the LACK OF BELIEF. You don’t believe in Zeus? This makes you an atheist when it comes to Greek mythology, correct? Just one more to go. Anyone making a claim that is more than 99.999% certainty is being foolish. NONE of us could exist. This could be “The Matrix” we’re living in. But, it is highly unlikely.

No one can DISPROVE the existence of God.
It isn't possible to do.

You can’t prove a negative. You can’t disprove I’m not talking with God right now, as a voice in my head. You can’t disprove that I’m not he himself. But, it is highly unlikely.

Hey, Mike. Now, if you insult my religion, I'll just sigh and pray for you. But you crossed a line, and accused me and a great deal of people who are dear to me of being enablers to child molesters. That is SICK, WRONG and COMPLETELY f**k IDIOTIC. What, do you think that all christians just sit back and go "Oh, it's a priest, they're okay?" NO! The child molester priests have taken a main pillar of who I am as a person and bastardized it beyond recognition. I take any suggestion that I am somehow helping them as a disgusting personal attack, and I completely fail to understand your twisted, disturbing lack of logic and sanity. All I see is a bitter atheist attacking me because they've learned long ago that nothing they can say will shake the faith of many christians.

Hey, Mike. Now, if you insult my religion, I'll just sigh and pray for you. But you crossed a line, and accused me and a great deal of people who are dear to me of being enablers to child molesters. That is SICK, WRONG and COMPLETELY f**k IDIOTIC. What, do you think that all Christians just sit back and go "Oh, it's a priest, they're okay?" NO! The child molester priests have taken a main pillar of who I am as a person and bastardized it beyond recognition.

Maybe you should re-examine that pillar further before defending it so quickly.

I take any suggestion that I am somehow helping them as a disgusting personal attack, and I completely fail to understand your twisted, disturbing lack of logic and sanity. All I see is a bitter atheist attacking me because they've learned long ago that nothing they can say will shake the faith of many Christians.

Probably my biggest personality flaw is my blunt honesty. As my girlfriend says, I “lack the social skills.” I try to avoid getting into sensitive subjects with people who may get really upset easily. But, if they really want to know, I let them know what they want. Sorry if you interpret that as a personal attack. As far as shaking someone’s faith, I’m not really interested in trying. I just got interested in the topic of discussion.

Life is but a dream
She-boom sha-boom

Hey, Mike. Now, if you insult my religion, I'll just sigh and pray for you. But you crossed a line, and accused me and a great deal of people who are dear to me of being enablers to child molesters. That is SICK, WRONG and COMPLETELY f**k IDIOTIC. What, do you think that all Christians just sit back and go "Oh, it's a priest, they're okay?" NO! The child molester priests have taken a main pillar of who I am as a person and bastardized it beyond recognition.

Maybe you should re-examine that pillar further before defending it so quickly.

I take any suggestion that I am somehow helping them as a disgusting personal attack, and I completely fail to understand your twisted, disturbing lack of logic and sanity. All I see is a bitter atheist attacking me because they've learned long ago that nothing they can say will shake the faith of many Christians.

Probably my biggest personality flaw is my blunt honesty. As my girlfriend says, I “lack the social skills.” I try to avoid getting into sensitive subjects with people who may get really upset easily. But, if they really want to know, I let them know what they want. Sorry if you interpret that as a personal attack. As far as shaking someone’s faith, I’m not really interested in trying. I just got interested in the topic of discussion.

When you say re-examine the pillar, in what regard? Bring it on, I've heard and researched all the main arguments, maybe you have something new.


and when you say christians are enablers to child molesters, you call ME an enabler. How am I supposed to take that, other than personally?

When you say re-examine the pillar, in what regard? Bring it on, I've heard and researched all the main arguments, maybe you have something new.


and when you say christians are enablers to child molesters, you call ME an enabler. How am I supposed to take that, other than personally?

It is apparent you've dug your heels in and will ignore any argument which contradicts what you've made your mind up about. We could go on until we're both blue in the face and your position wouldn't have changed one iota. Not interested in feeding trolls.

When you say re-examine the pillar, in what regard? Bring it on, I've heard and researched all the main arguments, maybe you have something new.


and when you say christians are enablers to child molesters, you call ME an enabler. How am I supposed to take that, other than personally?

It is apparent you've dug your heels in and will ignore any argument which contradicts what you've made your mind up about. We could go on until we're both blue in the face and your position wouldn't have changed one iota. Not interested in feeding trolls.

Honestly, you're the troll here. You're the one who popped up making wild claims that skated the line of saying christians support child molestation.

Now, there is no argument that can disprove the existence of God. Personally, I have seen more than enough of His miracles to be convinced he does exist.

Honestly, you're the troll here. You're the one who popped up making wild claims that skated the line of saying christians support child molestation.

Now, there is no argument that can disprove the existence of God. Personally, I have seen more than enough of His miracles to be convinced he does exist.

Did I say Christians support child molestation? Who's making the wild claims here?

As for his "miracles":

nothing short of God himself appearing (and not as a giant hologram) will ever settle this argument.

Consider this: nearly every religion other than Buddhism can be linked to the zodiac;
the birth and rebirth - winter equinox
12 disciples - houses of the zodiac (ages)
ect.ect.

The virgin birth, baptism by a wild man, 3 days alone in the desert and tempted by the devil, killed and reborn in 3 days, discovered by 2 women, reappeared to his friends, ... all the story of Horus from ancient Egypt.

All religions have the same story with different character names. Sounds like proof of the Jesus story, just the wrong names right?
Nope, still connected to the Zodiac.

It is sad that when I try to discuss this with preachers/ministers that they have no idea what I'm talking about.... kinda like politicians = uninformed under educated people trying to tell others what they should believe and trust in, and the "I know what I'm talking about just because I know" mentality.

So how do argue with a stubborn uninformed mind?
You don't!

People that believe in God suffer the same tragedies as those who don't.
God is not a trump card, leverage or insurance.

The "my God is better than your God" argument as been going on since the concept began.

I don't know and neither do you!!!

And I have to and always have agreed with the comic strip!

This is exactly why I detest all of you non-music post creators.

Shut your mouth and spend your time practicing your MUSICAL skills.

No one wants to read this horseshit.

Key observations of the universe:

1) the reason or cause for the birth of the universe is unknown as all evidence was destroyed in the Big Bang.

2) the universe tends toward chaos and any apparent order is either accidental or man-made.

3) there is no reason for anything - randomness dominates. Humans like to assign explanations for what they observe.

4) a supreme being may or may not exist, and may or may not have created the universe. It's unknowable.

Once you accept these premises your life will become simpler.

People cannot see God because of what happened in the Garden of Eden. Moses had to veil his face from God when given the Ten Commandments. But, what's the point of going any further with this if you don't believe in what the Bible has to say. I challenge you to open up the Bible at a random page and start reading with an open mind. That's what I did and it changed my life. Before that, I hated Christians and really questioned how you could possibly find a God you can't see. My question eventually got answered all right.

Why do you need eyesight to know someone is there anyway?

Be very careful about talking about priests. The Hispanic community takes offense to this kind of thing...trust me on that.