General Music Chat

Thanks for the summary Craig. I am interested in things like this, but I've read up and gone thru so many of them that I just don't care to invest all that time an effort in them because they all take the LONG route to informing you. I'm more of a "just give me the quick summary and if it sparks my interest, I'll dive in deeper" kind of person.

By the way, have you ever heard of Purity Products? They have a spot on radio claming high doses of Vitamin D can make you live longer and look younger - and that there is tribe near the equator (lots of Vitamin D there) whose populate is in the 100 year old range but they look 60. I'll try to dig it up.

Chris


*edit* this is their site:
http://www.purityproducts.com/purityEco ... _CONTENT_1

I watched all 13 videos.


I found much of the information very interesting. Some of the basics I don't doubt... that processed foods are bad for you, that juicing is healthy and beneficial, etc... I had actually considered trying a "raw food" diet, a few years ago, anyway, because it seems reasonable to me, that cooking food, or altering it in other substantial ways, would reduce the vitamins and LIFE within the food itself, which to me, would seem to be the best and most beneficial aspects of it.

I have also looked up Dr. Gerson on Wikipedia to start with, as well. Because I ALWAYS search as many varied sources as possible, to come to the best conclusion I can about anything I am researching.


So far?


There are claims of various groups, like the NCI (National Cancer Institute) and others, which state that there is NO EVIDENCE of the success of this diet and/or treatment, and that the claims made by proponents of this therapy, are not sufficiently documented or tested under strict clinical trials and conditions.

While this concerns me, I find that these claims themselves are DUBIOUS!

Because in dismissing the success stories as "unproven" or even "fabricated" these groups generally don't offer any better documentation, than the Gerson Institute does itself.

It's kind of funny, to accuse one group of fabricating something, and of not properly documenting alleged proofs, when the accusers don't document their own proofs AGAINST the Gerson Therapy very thoroughly either!

Interestingly, the film introduces the famous "Juiceman Juicer" pitchman, Jay Kordich as well. And Jay arrived at a similar conclusion, as Max Gerson did, that raw natural organic fruits and vegetables could heal just about anything. Jay had bladder cancer at 25, and learned that famed doctor Albert Schweitzer, claimed to have been cured by Max Gerson himself, and along with other members of his family! Jay decided that if it was good enough for Schweitzer it was good enough for him, and he started juicing all those years ago, and NEVER STOPPED. Culminating in his being the pitchman for his "Juiceman" Company all these years later.

All I can say, is that everything is inconclusive for me right now, as there are competing arguments, and neither are particularly well verified by OUTSIDE agencies that are reliable and verifiable.

That said... The Juiceman himself, Jay Kordich is still alive at... Hmm... about 87 years old now, and he looks in DAMN GOOD SHAPE for 87!

Maybe that is a powerful statement in itself?

Hayden, I'm a member of the Weston Price Foundation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye4N8EH3dog&feature=related


This contains documentation on the true causes and cure for cancer and as well as many other diseases and the deception involved in holding back this information.
HEALTH CARE WORKERS PLEASE PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION!

A documentary that can't get to the point usually doesn't have one.

A documentary that can't get to the point usually doesn't have one.

This one has a point.


Even though it is produced on a small budget, it is very well done, and the documentary takes you from Alaska, to the states and Mexico and back. Traveling to many people who claim to have been cured by this therapy, as well as numerous doctors who claim they have been targeted by medical professional associations for their oppositional views to some current therapies or procedures, such as tooth fillings, which apparently contain mercury, that can expose people to harm.

I found the documentary to be very interesting and often times persuasive, as well as entertaining. But even the wildest conspiracy theories are persuasive, which is why they are powerful, and potentially destructive, if the information is skewed.

That is why I say, that more investigation is in order.

But I appreciate Hayden very much, for bringing it to our attention!

Vitamin D is not water soluble.
And despite claims too much can kill.
Many have died eating fish liver.

Moderation is the key that opens the gate of health.
Common sense keeps it open.

Mary:
a wise org... finally a health conscious group that promotes carnivores. Vegetarianism just doesn't cut it. the body cannot compete without meat. We are omnivores!

Chriss:
I'm glad someone broke it down for you. I just didn't have the time yesterday, I still recommend that you at least skip through it as it has info on various aspects of both health and the way it is being manipulated and denied to us,

Craig:
I'm not surprised that you took the time to view and are investigating further. I hope it leads to something good for you & yours. My Brother is "suffering" through chemo as we speak and I hope to convince him to begin using at least some of this info to alleviate some of his misery.
I also intend to give him something for the nausea and lack of appetite. I met Jay Cordich 30 years ago when I attended one of his health conferences. His children of 8 yr.s, 6 and 3 had never been sick a single day in their lives at that point, and he hadn't since beginning juicing raw foods and beating cancer.

Dajax:
hell I dunno what to say to you.... lighten up a bit maybe. If you honestly believe that the government is there on your behalf and tells you the truth... well, the insiders just love people like you;

Nightline last night:
2 0f 3 meteorologist don't believe that man has any impact on global warming.
3 0f 4 meteorologist believe that global warming is a scam!
Yeah, we were all just being paranoid and naive saying that global warming was contrived and being used in a conspiracy!



"I know my sh*t stinks"

Mary:
a wise org... finally a health conscious group that promotes carnivores. Vegetarianism just doesn't cut it. the body cannot compete without meat. [color=red]We are omnivores!
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Yes we are. A simple observation of our eye placement and our teeth is all one needs to prove that point.
We are also hunter gatherers intended to walk or run three miles between every bite of food.
Now ask your self why we are fat ??
If your answer is the type of foods we eat, you are wrong.
If the fire is hot enough it will burn anything.
Though clean fuel leaves less smoke and ash for our bodies to deal with.

4. Don't drink milk because it was made for cows, not people.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... -milk.aspx

Hey RG what did you buy this time?
I'm stiil partial to pump shotguns... my aim sucks.

A bunch of parsley
Black Walnut Hull Tincture
Wormwood
Cloves, ground
Pure Vodka

Works 99.99% of the time.

You will go from terminal cancer to cured in less than 2 months.

Thats all I'm sayin'

Now I have to go out a get another gun.

Where were you a couple months ago??
Whats the measurments for this mixture, and what do you mean by 'pure vodka'?

Yes, cancer cures have been found. Essiac for one. You never hear about it for one reason. The woman in the video pegged it. There's too much money to be made selling drugs.

Renee Caisse was hounded by the American and Canadian medical industries, charged with practicing medicine without a license, and pretty much persecuted for years. But it works. I know a lady in Texas who was given 6 months to live, found a doctor in CA that would do Essiac by IV, and continued with tea at home, she was alive and well and not a speck of cancer 2 years later when my sister and I met her.

Laetrile...squashed by the medical industry in the 70's, showed very promising results. Pharmaceutical companies couldn't make billions on it, so you never hear about it either. The doctor who researched it was arrested for accepting a shipment of it for a friend, also doing research, who was out of town when the delivery was made. He was persecuted for his efforts just as Ms Caisse. If you look up the facts, both had much better success rates then the currently acceptable "treatments".

It comes down to one thing. MONEY. Huge pharmaceutical companies cannot patent an herb that grows ready to use, so they cannot make billions on it. No cure for cancer has been publicly acknowledged by the medical industry because they already make way too much money on Chemo and Radiation treatments. Which do not work...

I don't know where this one will go, and don't have time to sit through all the videos, and highly suspect it's just a sales pitch. otherwise, they would have simply given some decent details right off the bat. Same as Kevin Trudeau. He has some great information, and much of it right on target, but he never actually gives you any specifics. You have to pay for his membership only website to get specifics, so his books are nothing but an elaborate sales pitch and his constant claims "I'm not in it for the money" are a lie. Yes, pharmaceutical companies are killing people to make money, that's a proven fact. More people die every year from drugs than from the diseases they are trying to treat. Yes, most diseases can be treated by nutritional means. But Mr Trudeau is also only in it for the money...

I'm interested in seeing where this treatment goes. Probably the same route as Essiac and Laetrile...for one reason. MONEY...Pharmaceutical companies can make much more on chemo and radiation treatments.

Thanx PALEO, it is always good to have COOL musicians like you bringing up valid stuff like this.

Oh, those evil corp's never ever quit, do they?

Personally, I believe that a more natural diet, coupled with proper exercize & rest, will cure just about anything...if only it tasted better & was cheaper...if only there were enough hours in the day!

The Juiceman looks really good, at 80+, but how much of that is genetic, & how much can be attributed to his juicing? No way to know, is there? For that matter, how much can be attributed to air-brushing & makeup?

It's true that most of the natural true cures will never be tested. Why? Because there's no future profit in it. Why would any co test the natural? They cannot produce it & make a profit on it.

This is where our gov't should step in - as a non-corporate-funded entity, owned only BY the ppl & operating FOR the ppl. The gov't should be able to set up the proper testing facilities, hire the researchers, & examine what makes ppl healthier. It cannot, alas, as long as it's owned by those who seek profit over health, & treatment over cures.

To put it as bluntly as I can, I believe that there is no need for about 90% of the medicines on the market. The drugs we're producing at such break-neck paces produce side effects that require even MORE drugs to counteract the harmful effects produced by the drugs, themselves. It's this circular trap that has so many Americans held at a metaphorical gunpoint, feeling horrible all the time, boomeranging between side effect after side affect, never cured, only "treated," & treated poorly, at that.

The funniest part of it all is that the "learned" Dr's buy into it, as well.

The guy I do a lot of work for is always pushing this drug or that. I don't think I've ever heard him promote anything else. His lifestyle is like so many of ours - losing sleep, eating poorly, becoming overweight, overworking without pause, catching little moments of bliss with this food or that instead of actually relaxing & recouping his energies.

We are our own worst enemies, when it comes to matters of health.

There's nothing to sell here Pete; it's about the natural nutritional approach. Nothing more than allowing your body to heal itself, just as it was designed to do before chemical assaults were created by industry!

Forget chemical assaults, Its what all these women do that kills a good man,even a not so good man.