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A civilian militia would be necessary to counter an unfair gov't from within. I wholeheartedly support the entire concept.

However, having said that, I also must accept that there will be militias that exist that do not agree with my beliefs. That's one of the prices of freedom, however, & these ppl will have to remember that there is an entire country of ppl who may not believe as they do, & will fight them for their own beliefs, to retain their own freedom.

Bottom line - don't try to force your views on others, cuz there's bound to be someone who will fight back with bigger guns, or sneakier approaches to the problems that you create.

I like the idea of American ppl standing up against evil, whether ot comes from without or within.

This reminds me...I need more ammo!

I absolutely agree, if that were the case. This is not due to a corrupt government, though. This militant force is based on religion, not politics.

While there is plenty of corruption in the government to keep us in conversation, these Christians getting together and forming an armed force to "sanctify" the world goes against what the New Testament of the bible teaches. Christian's entire belief system is based on Jesus paying the ultimate price for the world's sins and experiencing death to save mankind from hell. When Jesus was crucified, this changed God's rule from Law to Grace (if you have read the bible, this shift is quite evident). Grace is the embodiment of love and forgiveness, and the Law of the Old Testiment is based on the "eye for an eye" thought pattern.

I don't believe that we are, but even if we were in a religious war, I believe that a military force of Christians wouldn't necessary make things better for the world. The Crusades of the Dark Ages only brought hunger, poverty, and death to the world where the Crusades were taking place. In fact, the only ones who really benefitted were the Knights Templar and the Catholic Church. While the rest of the known empire was poor and hungry, the Knights and the Church were wealthy and had abundance. (think about that for a minute -- the Church was wealthy and abundant, and the people were poor and starving...) I also feel that "conquering" with a military force would nullify Jesus' death, which is the keystone of the Christian belief. If Jesus died for the world, and all sin is forgiven with His blood, what would Christianity truly accomplish with a militia that Jesus hasn't already accomplished, based on the Christian faith?

Nothing good could possibly come from this.

Well said pocketgroovesGSO

Craig, Ive used the cop thing a couple of times to back folks down. I dontknow what it is about a shaved head but it has a menacing look to it.

When I was racing motorcycles seriously a few years ago this guy I raced had a bald head, one night after a race he pulled his helmet off and hist head was kinda smoking, I thought it was the most intimidating thing Ive ever seen. Thats when I started shaving my head.

I believe in a higher power or maybe its God, I dont believe in so called religious wars cause they always seem to be about real estate. When something irritates me or seems hostile I try my best to get away and avoid confrontation, but sometimes you cant when cornered like I felt at the pizza place. All these religious wars could be simplified if people would adhere to giving what someone asks for and moving along.

I am a firm believer in the armed civilian population as a whole.
But not a big fan of "militia" mentality.
That being said, I have been pretty well trained in the use of arms and emergency medical intervention.
I maintain a personal civil emergency preparedness store.
For the defense of myself my family and my friends.

Soooo I guess I am one of those militia "nut jobs" all by myself.


A militia of one. LOL

A militia of one. LOL

I like that George! I think its good to be prepared and to be able to take care of your family should the need arise.

I am a firm believer in the armed civilian population as a whole.
But not a big fan of "militia" mentality.

Perfectly said!

Me too!

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Many different varieties of armed groups exist and have existed in this country since its inception. I'm not scared of a Christian Militia, just as I'm not scared of the JDL (Jewish Defence League), the Black Panthers, the Hell's Angels, etc. These groups come and go. The KKK is a militia. Individuals have a right to bear arms. Individuals who gather in groups (militias) have the right to bear arms. The drug cartels are militias. Instead of worrying about Christians bearing arms maybe we should concentrate our attention on groups of people that ARE CAUSING US HARM NOW, and not imagine the potential harmful activities of Christians...

Good for you JW. Phil yeah. Just pray no one , NO ONE ,hurts obama.WE don't need any martyrs, right now.
However , if some one is breaking into my house to do harm , what do you do?
My roof is my country , my walls are my state, but my foundation is my God.
How do you deal with other people trying to undermine your foundation?
How do you deal with people trying to break the windows in your walls?
And how do you stop people from putting holes in your roof?
Thank GOD for music, and babies, and loving spouses,,, cause the rest of it is a real shame.

Shoot I forgot good food and beer ,so sorry.

Well stated Bob. I am just not the group joining type I guess.



But dont tell my band..... OK

Sorry, you can't use the system... they've taken it over

ie; a national emergency to accomodate a non emergency.

lies lies lies

better get you combustion/projectile system in order instead because they aint playin!!!

take the flu shot... start gettin your affairs in order.

is it all true?

911
Baxter Pharmacuiticles/Toxic swine flu vaccine
Faking the Al Queda group
intentional economy busting
North American Union
Fema Camps
forced vaccinations and or forced quarintine
recending of civil rights and all current legislation

You better hope it's not, and you also had better be prepared if it's true!

Sorry, you can't use the system... they've taken it over

(snip)


is it all true?

911
Baxter Pharmacuiticles/Toxic swine flu vaccine
Faking the Al Queda group
intentional economy busting
North American Union
Fema Camps
forced vaccinations and or forced quarintine
recending of civil rights and all current legislation

You better hope it's not, and you also had better be prepared if it's true!

Well, I'm sure that "some" of it is true. But damn Hayden, that's more conspiracy theories than I can deal with at one sitting. LOL

But as to the system being taken over...

Taken over?

No way.

Rigged? Yes.

But who's rigging it?

Wealthy underground secret societies?

Corporations?

The problem with a system being "rigged" is that LOTS OF PEOPLE want it "rigged" and they don't all want it rigged for the same things.

SELFISHNESS... which is what makes someone "rig" something in the first place, has a problem.

The "problem" is that SELFISHNESS, makes ME want to rig it for... ME.

There are ALOT of "ME's" out there.

This makes for COMPETING interests.

Rupert Murdoch for instance, is a "ME" that has alot of power as a Billionaire and also as a Media Mogul, owning News Corp and it's various subsidiaries, like Fox News, The Wall Street Journal, MySpace, etc...

George Soros on the other hand, is a business mogul and political activist, who ALSO has alot of power. And he has a net worth of almost 3 times what Murdoch is worth.

Murdoch is a staunch CONSERVATIVE.

Soros is a staunch LIBERAL.

People who have that kind of wealth and power are not anyone's pawns. And they have egos at least as large as their networths.

For a conspiracy of that proportion to be successful, such as the system being OWNED by any one person, group or interest, would require a miracle, the likes of which has not been seen since Jesus walked among us.

So yes, the system is RIGGED.

But it is RIGGED in diverse ways by diverse interests. And the reigns of the White House are only held by one team at a time.

The Presidential Election debacle of 2000, for example, showed how those COMPETING interests, fought tooth and nail, to have it resolved in their own interest, and MASSIVE amounts of money, organization, etc... was used on both sides, to tip the scales one way or the other. They pulled out all the stops, using their corporate chess pieces in a fight to the death.

No Billionaire needs to waste that kind of money, for a "charade".

That was REAL PEOPLE (movers and shakers) fighting a REAL BATTLE (The Election, Supreme Court fight, etc...) to have the system RIGGED (Government power, favorable contracts, etc...) in the SELF-INTEREST of the various "ME's"

Bush won.

His brother was Governor of the state which decided it.

No overcoming that.

The media, overwhelmingly liberal, decided right then and there, that this would not happen the next go around. They were unashamedly in the pocket for Obama, when their turn came next. And they accomplished what they set out to do... tipped the scales in the Democrat's favor, this time around. Obama's own minster saying "God damn America!!!" over and over, could not overcome that. Obama's dubious radical and communist connections, could not overcome it.

Did it piss the Republicans off? Of course. But it pisses the Democrats off when the Republicans do it to them, in their own way.

That's politics folks.

But a SINGLE - COHESIVE - UNIFIED - PLOT foisted on the American public?

I don't think so.

Maybe a lot of SMALLER plots... still dubious... still evil... but not HOPELESSLY evil.

AMERICANS "CAN" make the system work for them. We "CAN" make a difference. We "CAN" change the system. But it will be a hell of alot of work, and take a hell of a lot of UNITY and COOPERATION among DIVERGENT political interests... meaning Conservatives and Liberals would have to cooperate and work together to see MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL political leaders elected, and MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL policies put into place.

Congress controls the purse strings and makes the laws.

WE.... "WE"... the American people ELECT CONGRESS!

Not the Electoral College, not anyone else.

THAT - Is where the change has to START, because THAT is what we control absolutely.

Yes, change is possible.

But...

Will the American People, VOTE OUT those who are working AGAINST positive change, and ELECT those who WILL bring about that change for us?

THAT is the question.

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I keep hearing about all these conspiracies all the time. Specifically WHO is conspiring? If you know WHO it is why don't we just go and kill them. Then we won't have to worry any more about comspiracies...

What is full of bad shooters, heavy accent and unable to stop for a hot dog unless it's kosher>?

A: The JDL on maneuvers. lol

in order for a conspiracy to work, Many need to be involved you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5MdCd3rQ0s

oh and BTW... the JDL was exposed for funding America's first Nazi Party in the 30's when the leader (of all 6 members) was arrested for embezeling them (JDL) ... was right there in the Newspaper for all to see, and forget!

P.S. if only one of these things is true we're in trouble!

"conspiracies are fun"