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Kramer,

I saw Jim Carrey's girlfriend, Jenny McCarthy speak on autism during a Larry King interview. She held her own with the doctor's there, who were disputing her claims. In fact, she pretty much wiped the floor with them, PHD's and all. She clearly was very knowledgeable on the most detailed medical aspects and issues, surrounding all this.

Are you familiar with her activism on this?

What do you think about her positions, if so?

I can't recall now, if she had blamed Vaccines, or not, but maybe you are familiar with her efforts and position on this?

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There STILL could be a common link between Lyme & autism, though.

Consider this - the same source of problems that cause autism could also cause a lessening of one's immunization to Lyme.

I don't know if Lyme is a truly new disease or whether this upsurge in diagnoses is just because of our becoming more susceptable to it due to artificially &/or environmentally induced weaknesses to the disease.

The rise in juvenile diabetes has everything to do with the rise of parents giving their kids soft drinks instead of fruit juice, or vegetable juice, or anything that is healthy (soy milk). Soft drinks are nutritionally worthless and should be considered bio-hazzardous. I took my son completely off soft drinks and give him additional fiber each day and he's lost 35 pounds in less than a year. I have also completely stopped drinking any pop for over three years and it was one of the best things I have ever done for my health. Put a coin in a glass of coca-cola and let it sit on your counter for a few days, it'll start eating the metal. Imagine what it does in your digestive tract, over and over and over again. If copper or nickel can't withstand it surely your body tissues can't withstand it either...

Kramer,

I saw Jim Carrey's girlfriend, Jenny McCarthy speak on autism during a Larry King interview. She held her own with the doctor's there, who were disputing her claims. In fact, she pretty much wiped the floor with them, PHD's and all. She clearly was very knowledgeable on the most detailed medical aspects and issues, surrounding all this.

Are you familiar with her activism on this?

What do you think about her positions, if so?

I can't recall now, if she had blamed Vaccines, or not, but maybe you are familiar with her efforts and position on this?

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Yeah, We were in the march with her and Jim last summer and did the rally in front of the Capitol/Congress.

She's part of the "green the vaccines" movement, if not the mother.

Her kids' autism was a little different than what is typical (to me), so I have a hard time relating to her on that level.

Her son had major seizures, frequently. To date, my daughter only had very minor ones before the age of two (none registering more than a few microseconds), and only 1 major one after hitting her head.

The other major difference is that Jenny's son was "high functioning", while still socially akward, he was able to speak, read, learn complexities.

Those traits are a very common perception of autism based on that movie "rain man".

Jenny also claims that the GFCF diet "cured" her son of autism. We tried that, and 100 other "hocus pocus" cures.. all a bunch of horseshit-

... Not that I doubt the GFCF diet cured her sons seizures, but the autism itself? He's so high-functioning, it may just be a touch of aspergers, which is still a form of autism, but *very* high functioning. You probably know someone, if not many people with aspergers and don't even know it. Hell.. many of them don't even know they have it.

The reality is that there are just as many "low functioning" autistics- like my daughter, who aren't as "cute" and inspiring as dustin hoffman.

The simple fact is that she's "so autistic" that at the age of 7 (will be 8 next week), that she cannot speak, use the toilet, or tell us when she doesn't feel well. Her only way to communicate is to provide hand-over-hand (requesting) assistance and guide us to what she wants or needs.

We've tried PECS, sign language, and several other methods, but after about 4-5 "signs" she gets overwhelmed and frustrated, especially with the sign language, it's very easy for her to mix up the signs and request the wrong thing.

FWIW, she's a wonderful child - she loves us without condition, she's attentive and almost always happy, smiling, and playing.

She's not a music savant, nor is she a mathematical genius.. That really is the stuff of hollywood, and just not true in reality - in fact, you look up autistic savants, and you will find it's as common as winning the powerball.

Sorry for my rants, as you can see, this topic hits close to home

Put a coin in a glass of coca-cola and let it sit on your counter for a few days, it'll start eating the metal. Imagine what it does in your digestive tract, over and over and over again. If copper or nickel can't withstand it surely your body tissues can't withstand it either...

Your stomach does something in "a couple of days" that the glass does not do: digest.

I'm not saying soft drinks are great, but your logic as to why they are not a good thing in your diet is significantly flawed.

There STILL could be a common link between Lyme & autism, though.

Consider this - the same source of problems that cause autism could also cause a lessening of one's immunization to Lyme.

I don't know if Lyme is a truly new disease or whether this upsurge in diagnoses is just because of our becoming more susceptable to it due to artificially &/or environmentally induced weaknesses to the disease.

True, but there's also a link between herpes and pneumonia - if you consider that both will kill most people if they don't get either treated, and people in general can catch it, so that's a link too-

Not to make fun of your comparisons, but I think the lyme comparison is a stretch on the best day simply because there's literally hundreds of diseases and conditions that can be linked directly or indirectly to toxins, pollutants, or other man-made environmental conditions; so trying to chase that down as a lead seems counter-productive.

You also have to consider how much precious time and money they've wasted on autism research (and continue to waste) trying to prove it's a genetic disease (even though common sense says it can't possibly be).

It's genetic because the people who get it are obviously genetically weaker at tempering the poisoning than other people who are genetically stronger.. We have to remember that research is a JOB to every scientist and doctor, and it's a BUSINESS to ever company and charity that claims they are committed to helping..

Kramer,

That's not a rant brother.

I'm nearly tearing up, but trying not to let it get all the way there. I can only imagine the struggles you and Bob go through, and have been through. The inability even to communicate in a common way, and maybe sometimes not at all, is just massive, and must be frustrating and heartbreaking and 12 other emotions on top of it.

This is your child.

My heart goes out to you. I respect immensely, the love and patience required to navigate this journey. But it "IS" a journey, and despite the tragic elements, you are learning to love and have patience and have your heart deepened in ways, that most of us will never experience. I don't know firsthand as friends, anyone who has an autistic child, but have known a few that had children with severe mental retardation. And as strange as it seems, they considered it a blessing... though not at first, and if given a choice, they may still have preferred a "normal" child, but they seemed to be in agreement, that the specialness and uniqueness of the child, had a profound effect on the entire family. Almost like they felt, that whatever blessing the child could receive from all their extra work and patience in meeting the child's needs, were nothing in comparison with what doing so, did for the family itself, and how the child was a cornerstone of their family unity, or that the child made them feel special themselves, and brought them joy.

I don't know. I'm rambling. Hopefully you understand what I mean. And I realize autism is not the same thing. But I know that every tragedy, every trial, as difficult as it may be, has the potential also, for equal, if not greater good.

It may not seem comforting. But it is true. I have seen, even the worst types of cruelty, pull the absolute best out of countless others. It is not ideal, and I understand that, but there is always something to be gained, lessons to be learned, growth that occurs. Nothing rallies our better natures, stirs our hearts, or makes us remember what is truly imprtant in life, like a child in need.

God bless you, for being a good father.

You may in some way have lost a part of your daughter, or of who you hoped she could become, but your daughter, undoubtedly, has touched and will touch and improve many other lives. Her seeming weakness, becomes strength for many others, yourself and your wife included.

I respect your committment very much.

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well thanks for that,

I do have many mixed feelings on the matter, many of them aren't good (yes, I'm bitter about some things).

I guess my bitterness comes not from having to put in extra work, the extra $$$ or the lack of support- some of our family treats us like lepers, so we have zero help, especially in regards to simple things most parents have, like babysitting and other family support, but my true bitterness comes from the fact that she won't get to experience a normal life.

She did nothing to deserve such a life of struggle. I'd bet bob feels the same way sometimes.

It's funny almost- most days, I'm fine with everything, but I've found the more I get involved in the autism community, the more bitter I get, towards government, family, corporations, you name it, so I actually took a step back after the marches and distanced myself, else I worry I would just drop dead from stress induced coronary or something.

Even things like this thread bring it all out again, and I want to choke a politician or corporate exec.

Most politicians could probably use a good choking once in a while.

I just took some vitamin D.

Hope it was D3...any other vitamin D is useless.

Are you a nutritionist?

then stfu thanx kk bye

Are you a nutritionist?

then stfu thanx kk bye

Nope, not a nutritionist, but I can read. I've been researching this for quite some time. I have an autistic niece on hubby's side of the family. Plus his family has other issues that relate to autism. So I read.
I hope this link works but it is just scratching the surface.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/apr ... n-D_01.htm
Not saying that other culprits are not to blame. But vitamin D deficiency has been linked to MANY maladies, not just autism.

Are you a nutritionist?

then stfu thanx kk bye

Wow.

Seriously?

She was trying to be helpful.

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Put a coin in a glass of coca-cola and let it sit on your counter for a few days, it'll start eating the metal. Imagine what it does in your digestive tract, over and over and over again. If copper or nickel can't withstand it surely your body tissues can't withstand it either...

Your stomach does something in "a couple of days" that the glass does not do: digest.

I'm not saying soft drinks are great, but your logic as to why they are not a good thing in your diet is significantly flawed.

Has any beverage company ever mentioned ANY benefits of drinking ANY soft drink? Has any expert in nutrition ever mentioned ANY benefits of drinking ANY soft drink? I never heard ANYTHING good about soft drinks. Maybe the fact they can be cold and wet might be a benefit to drink them when it's hot, but nutritious in ANY way? NOT...

Has any beverage company ever mentioned ANY benefits of drinking ANY soft drink? Has any expert in nutrition ever mentioned ANY benefits of drinking ANY soft drink? I never heard ANYTHING good about soft drinks. Maybe the fact they can be cold and wet might be a benefit to drink them when it's hot, but nutritious in ANY way? NOT...

I wasn't saying they were nutritious or anything of the sort Bob. I thought I was pretty clear in my post.

I was just informing you that, while your conclusion may be right, your reasoning is wrong. Your conclusion - that soda does not provide any health benefits - is correct, but you arrived at that conclusion incorrectly, via flawed logic.

The reason soft drinks aren't healthy has nothing to do with their effects on a metallic coin over a period of days; it has everything to do with sugar and other preservatives contained within, and the many effects sugar has on your body, not the least of which is how it messes with your insulin levels.