This is a MUSIC forum. Irrelevant or disrespectful posts/topics will be removed by Admin. Please report any forum spam or inappropriate posts HERE.

All users can post to this forum on general music topics.

Moderators: bandmixmod1, jimmy990, spikedace

#75834 by gbheil
Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:00 pm
Ive just got in from work and only have a few moments till practice.
I perefer to listen unrushed and undisturbed. I will be by latter.

#75841 by J-HALEY
Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:07 am
Damn Craig, those are some great songs and you have a great voice dude. Did you produce this yourself? There is a little to much effects on the vocals and lead guitar for my taste. You sing great and you don't need that much effects on your vocals. Dude you have a lot of soul. I listened to all your songs. I like the way your songs build and the progressions. You have some great formula's kickin there bro.
The natural tonal quality of your voice is phenomenal it is kind of a cross between the original singer for Skynard (I get those Vans Ant Bro. miixed up) shame on me! and Darious Rucker and you remind me more of the latter. Why can't I meet a musician like you down here in H-Town. Anyway good luck to you bro. I don't say this to too many people in fact I have only said it one time, if anyone should make it in the music biz you should! 8)

#75842 by RGMixProject
Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:13 am
J-HALEY wrote:Damn Craig, those are some great songs and you have a great voice dude. Did you produce this yourself? There is a little to much effects on the vocals and lead guitar for my taste. You sing great and you don't need that much effects on your vocals. Dude you have a lot of soul. I listened to all your songs. I like the way your songs build and the progressions. You have some great formula's kickin there bro.
The natural tonal quality of your voice is phenomenal it is kind of a cross between the original singer for Skynard (I get those Vans Ant Bro. miixed up) shame on me! and Darious Rucker and you remind me more of the latter. Why can't I meet a musician like you down here in H-Town. Anyway good luck to you bro. I don't say this to too many people in fact I have only said it one time, if anyone should make it in the music biz you should! 8)


A big DITTO, where does one buy this CD?

#75843 by CraigMaxim
Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:06 am
JH,

That was high praise indeed brother! Very, very encouraging. Thank you for that!

And I know I haven't begun to write my best stuff yet. Part of the feeling I had, trying to rush and put 10 songs up in under a month or two, was... "I'm gonna have to up my game, and out-do my old band!"

And then of course, I immediately realized: "Wait a minute... these guys are playing MY SONGS!!! I'm competing with... MYSELF!!!"

Which was unique, to say the least. LOL

As to not having the people you want in Houston...

Wasn't someone else here, moving to Austin?

Let's all move THERE... and play Austin City Limits!!! :-D

#75848 by fisherman bob
Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:22 am
About your old band Craig, you was they. I heard a salesman once who referred to his old compnay that way, I got a kick out of that. He told me "I was they." Applies to your situation as well.

#75853 by fisherman bob
Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:11 am
Craig, I just went and listened to your new tunes on your Myspace page. Everything absolutely awesome, I liked Train the best (you might have guessed that). I wouldn't be surprised to hear THAT version on major country stations within a few months. I don't see how anybody else could improve that song. It's bluesy, but it's also very applicable to country, and it's got a different sound that I believe will make people LISTEN. I really like the train sound leading into and out of the song. This song is a BIG WINNER, mark my words.

#75856 by CraigMaxim
Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:41 am
Thanks Brother Bob!

And yes, I knew you and John especially would like "Train". :-)

But surprisingly, it is also my 10 year old step-daughter's favorite original of mine now.

You can feel the blues soul of it, but I updated it with a little more modern beat, which I think worked really well, and the idea succeeded, cause I've heard from ALOT of young people already, who are diggin' it!

And who knows? Maybe that will encourage them to find out who Howlin' Wolf, Blind Willie, John Hurt, Skip James and so many other great bluesmen were!

btw...

Accepted your friend request on MySpace, and I see, that made me your first friend, which means you signed up and PROMPTLY deleted the friend you were "assigned" - Good ole' Tom - LOL

True to character Bob!

Not even MySpace will tell you who your friends are or not! ;-)

Thanks again for the kind words and checkin' out my music brother!

#75864 by 1collaborator
Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:25 pm
Great stuff Craig ! I enjoyed em all.


And its another day in Paradise !!!

#75910 by CraigMaxim
Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:39 pm
btw...

The final tally from when I uploaded them at midnight, to the next midnight, ended up being...

855 Song Plays!


Wow! I was pretty stunned. After all I had been through with my former band, I really needed that kind of "feel-good" and boy did I get it.

I think about 350 song plays in a single day, was all my former band ever got, and this more than doubled that.

I'm really excited now, to write even better stuff, and learn to record it more professionally. I need to learn more about mastering and bussing and routing signals, etc...

#75916 by Shredd6
Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:10 pm
Craig, I wanted to post something earlier, but I've recently thrown my back out and I can't sit down at the computer for very long. Hell, I can barely walk over to it.

Anyway, I listened to all of them, and I can never get over that powerful voice. Damn I wish I was capable of that kind of tone. I could never really tell who played the guitar leads in SM, but in hearing these songs, I've gotta say, you are one hell of a soloist. At least this way, I know it's your playing and anyone who happens to wander by your songs won't have to wonder who's actually playing the solos. That's a big plus to you now being on your own as well. When you see pics of a band and you see a singer/ guitar player along with other guitar players. The general sense is that one of the other guitar players is responsible for the solos. Big props on the guitar playing in these songs.

Admittedly, as I was listening through them, I was listening for that song that would compare to September. And Train ended up being that song for me. I think it's definitely the song that should let you know that you can move forward without SM. That's a freaking hit song if I ever heard one. Between September and Train, I wouldn't consider one to be better than another, they're both phenomenal songs.

Taking that aside, All I Know, Everywhere, and Don't Hang Up are very commercial and easily marketable songs. I think that's also a sign that you understand the music industry very well. Aside from the songs themselves, I also think in terms of commercial use in other areas. Those songs can also be pitched to various companies and corporations for use in their TV commercials. I can hear bits and pieces that would be perfect for that as well.

Overall, you've created a nice arsenal here Craig. As always I'm very impressed. If I may, I just wanted to give you my critiques on a couple of things I heard from a different perspective from the outside looking in.

In Don't hang up, the keyboard intro doesn't seem to fit. I know that key sound very well, we used it in one of our recordings in a song called Truly Do. And while at the time it seemed to be kind of cool, eventually most people ended up being a little turned off by it. Including the band. Our thoughts now are that it should be either straight up piano or guitar. The reason is, guitars and piano are timeless. Spacey keys are a little too 80's. When a listener listens to a song over and over, those keys become a little annoying.. I would try switching to a guitar riff or possibly regular piano type solo intro. If it were at the end of the song and faded out, it wouldn't be as much of thing. But if someone is turned off at the beginning, they probably won't listen to the rest of it and move on to the next song.

Falling Down is every bit as good as Train and September. No joke.. That song is badass. One thing you might think about would be to train-wreck the music in the bridge and leave out the dddooooooowwwwnnnn part (only way I know how to interpret that part. Hahaha). I think it'll give a little break from the vocals to the listener, and still get your point across. You go into the chorus right afterward, so your voice gets right back into the song quick enough. I just don't think there's enough separation between the "down" and the chorus for the dynamic to bring the chorus back. It's creative, and it took me by surprise a little, but in this case I think less is more. It seems to make the chorus at the end of the bridge lose it's power. I put up a little sample on my profile of one of my old guitar crashes to give you a little idea of what I'm talking about. Anyway.. That's just my 2 cents.. I love the song. It has a lot of power..

That's it.. That's the only critiquing I have as far as my song tweaking thoughts go. I'm not so sure what you were so worried about. These songs are really good. I think the time will come when you find the musicians you're looking for Craig. I think if you keep this up, a lot of success is coming your way. I understand about the time it takes. It frustrates me too sometimes. But I think you're right there. These songs should impress any record company. Keep your head up. You wrote some really cool sh*t, and I'm sure there's a lot more on the way. Hey bro.. I trimmed the tree in my front yard to damn near a stump a few months ago, and you should see it now.. It grew back better than ever. If that ain't enough inspiration I don't know what is..

Image

I was so bummed when I cut it.. I thought it was done for. Now everyone who comes over says," Dude!! I can't believe that tree grew back as good as it did!!" This thing had no branches in March. It was basically a stump!!

Oh and one more thing. Don't think I just skipped by Fall and Tiny Little Pieces. I like where you branched out from the Southern Rock a little. The guitar and keyboard work in Fall is sick!! I can totally hear it on an easy listening station. Great job on that too. Another very marketable song. I'm still not sure what to think of Tiny Little Pieces. For some reason it reminds me of Nat King Cole. Not so much your voice, but the song itself. I can't quite put my finger on what it sounds like. It's definitely different. Good to see you exploring different areas.

OK.. I gotta take some pain killers and lay down. My back ain't doing so good.

Overall, your songs are awesome. There's a lot of good that I heard, certainly not limited to Train.. I know they are beginning stages, but damn man, the fact that you did this all on a keyboard should at least get you a sponsorship from them!! hahaha.. As always I'm a big fan Craig. You're a great musician and a true professional.

Peace.

#75928 by jw123
Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:04 pm
Craig,

I finally go tthe chance to listen to your music.

I guess I will hit positives first.

#1 to me is your voice, it has matured a lot since I listened to your stuff a yr or two ago. I guess the gigs and all the playing have had something to do with that. I dont hear any pitch glitchs. You seem totally in control of your voice, and believe me thats tough. This is funny but I have been seeing a woman who loves karoake, and have been singing some and its a lot harder than someone who doesnt sing regularly thinks to stay in pitch in and control. On the voice front great job.

#2 production, its great, maybe a bit much reverb here and there on vocals but everything is balance well, the instruments all have definition and clarity. I know these are demos of sort but they sound really good. Whatever you are using is doing a great job and it sounds really good on my computor.

#3 guitars, of course thats my primary thing guitar so I focus on them a lot. The tone sounds good and they pretty much do exactly what I would hear in my head doing if I was playing on them or just what I hear in my head on them. I dont know if thats good or bad, cause sometimes I like to hear something jarring to my system.

Negatives

When I listen to this, I guess I get a feeling of adult contemporary radio, or even to be a little more rough, its kinda like walking into the local mall and the music you hear in the background. Thats the kind of feel I have for it. I dont really get any real emotion listening to it. Ya gotta remember that my natural favorite music is raunchy ass rock n roll, so Im probably not your market. But when ever I listen to music I want to hear some emotion. For me the song that gave me some sort of feeling like Im talking about is I think it was called Dont Blame Us. It had that feel a little to me.

I respect your abilitys and songwriting and vocal abilitys, they are way beyond mine, cause Im just a hack, but I would love to hear that voice on top of something were the emotion is bleeding out of the song and I just didnt get that impression from listening. They sound good, they are formatted in a commercial form, everything is there I just dont find anything wanting me to listen all the way thru other than kinda knowing who you are. Does that make sense?

I guess what I would suggest if you are trying to sell songs is to put the hook for the song right up front. When I was in Nashville a few years ago one of the producers I met said you have to grab a listener in the first 15 seconds, cause if you lose them its over. Today with so many musical choices right there you want to hold on to the listener. Just look at the plays on your player, most folks the first song gets a load of plays and then less as you go down. TO me that means that folks turn it on and then arent interested enough to dig deeper. I dont know the answer, but grabbing people and holding onto them is important.

#75953 by Shredd6
Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:20 pm
Hey JW, I know what you're talking about with the hook thing at the front. But that kind of thing only works with certain songs. It's definitely not something that should be done all of the time. In a lot of albums, you may run across that maybe one or two songs per album. Usually in a commercial sense, it's said that you should reach a chorus within 1-minute, and that's good enough..

I'm personally hearing plenty of emotion in the songs. Vocally and guitar-wise, it's there. The thing about that is with a real drummer who can pound away some serious fills, the songs would have more to lift them up. It's 100-times harder to do that with a drum machine when it comes to any kind of rock music. What Craig was able to do with the drums and Bass is actually really good considering the circumstances. In actuality, the drum machine works better in my opinion for Train. It has a really cool vibe to it that I don't think you'd get with a live drummer.

If you take a band like ZZ Top, they were very successful in the 80's. Is there any more emotion being displayed than what Craig's songs are?? Not really.. In fact, I would say they had less vocally. The songs just had great hooks and guitar riffs. Nothing really grabs you emotionally in those songs. They just cruise.

Musically, for some reason, Glen Frey comes to my mind. Which I don't think is a bad thing. But that's what I'm getting out of what you're saying JW. It seems like you're saying you'd like to hear a little more of a retro Southern Rock raw sound.

My opinion would be that if Craig went that rout, then he'd be seen as a copy-cat artist. In Reggae we hear a lot of bands that want to sound just like Bob Marley, but they are seen as less original in doing so. Pushing the boundaries into a more contemporary feel just might be what it takes to raise a new eyebrow to the Southern Rock style if a resurgence is to come around. I personally like the direction Craig is taking. In order for a new artist to keep with a Southern Rock style, some modernization has to take place. Contemporary, Modern, whatever you want to call it, I think it's the right path these days. Bo Bice tried a more retro Southern Rock sound, and he was seen as an Allman Bros. wannabe. Kenny Wayne Shepherd is a great Blues guitar player, but he'll never shake the SRV-Light tag..

I did listen to the songs again, and so far my top 3 goes like this:

1- Train: Such a great mood. Love the electro-drums, the harmonica, the train whistle sound. And of course the vocals. I could listen to this song every day. It's absolutely perfect. I love it from beginning to end.

2- Fall (surprisingly enough): I don't know what it is about this song, but it's another one I could listen to every day. If you go back to Craig's Myspace and listen to this song first, you might have a different outlook on it. The piano composition is awesome. The mood of the song with the singing is another perfect mix. Craig, you'll have to elaborate a little on this song. I think I'm hearing a Flamenco type acoustic guitar. But I can't tell if it's keyboard or a guitar. If it is the keys, you pulled off the guitar sound very well. If it's a guitar it's a great guitar skill not easy to accomplish. Either way, it doesn't really matter, I love this song.

3- Falling Down: Hard hitting from beginning to end. This is where I'm hearing a Glen Frey (Smugglers Blues) influence. The guitar solos are off the hook!! Great stuff!! I'd like to hear more of it in the bridge. In fact, I'd personally like to hear a guitar riff that's off this planet in the bridge, then crash it!! Back to the chorus. The vocals are the most gritty in the bunch. Hard choice between this and FALL, but I just think fall and Train nailed the moods perfectly. One small tweak in the bridge (in my opinion), and this song would have taken the #2 spot.

JW does bring up a good point in the play stats. One thing I've learned about Myspace, is you always need to put your best songs at the top. If you try to set it up like a real CD where you spread out the songs, it doesn't do you any favors really. If it was my job to set up an order for the Myspace player, I would have probably set it up with Train and Falling Down in the #1 and #2 spots, then go from there.

At one point Craig, we were getting 5,000 plays a day consistently. But since Ryan moved Truly Do to the #2 spot, we've tapered off. So there is something to what JW is saying. People listen to Love Me For Me, then when Truly Do comes on next, that's as far as they go. I still have to talk to Ryan about that. It needs to be moved down the list.

#75960 by Chippy
Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:58 pm
What I got from your stuff was thoroughly well worked out material. You have a great voice that bangs on the doors of anyone's ears. You also have a tenacious quality that might just see you through.

When someone plays me something I'm not literally listening to the song, lyrics or anything else. Consider.....

You see a great looking female but what is it that attracts you to her? Usually its not really what you think it is. It's the whole deal, the whole thing in a nutshell. Music is just the same, it's a package.

ps. Seriously follow it dude.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests