General Music Chat

Nah, Mike, I'd much rather hang some liberal meddler...but that would be mean, wouldn't it?

At least my caveman thing is schtick.

You just equated protecting children to protecting animals from having their meat and fur harvested.

You're fired.

LOL

...while you feed your children bacon, which is fulla nitrates & carcinogens!

Hypocrite!

YOU're fired!

She asked for bacon. I fed them turkey. Clear out your desk.

Aw, don't hand me that, bub! How would she know to ask for bacon if she hadn't eaten it before?

You are NOT so pure as you would have me believe, Paul. Climb off the self-righteous horsey, & come back & wallow in the mud with the rest of us, where you belong.

Besides...are you saying that feeding her ARSENIC is a healthy alternative?

You were just informed that it's in there...see my WTF's in our food dept thread.

We all have our pet peeves, Paul. Mine happens to be fast food & man-made food products, but I would never cause you grief over serving your kids a happy meal, or having American cheese or margarine in your fridge, or whatever, although I truly believe that it causes as much or more harm than my own smoking. I can avoid doing that sort of thing because I know I'm not a perfect human being.

You, however, seem to believe that you are above me, for some reason, & feel a need to intervene in my life, in my habits, in my behaviors. That offends me to my core.

I hope I have explained it satisfactorily. I will move on to more pleasant subjects, cuz I think I've made it clear that I will continue to do as I will on this, & most other topics of conversation, in spite of your well-meaning desires to make my life a more perfectly lived one.

It's common for people who don't try to better themselves to look down on people who do. It's common for people who are guilty of something to accuse others of that thing they feel guilty about. The high horse comment as well as the soap box comment is typical. I'm trying to do right. I'm striving to improve. As I find out about things that may harm us I try to revise our environment. I do not think I can make life perfect. I think I can continue to try to make it safer and better. A for instance is microwaving and freezing of plastic. I'm trying to use glass and ceramic now. Another is the organic milk. You can pay the organic milk farmers now or pay the doctor later after suffering.

I fed the girls eggs, turkey, grapes, yogurt, and granola. Are there problems with some of that? I'm sure. I try to continue to improve. I don't just say well EVERYTHING is going to kill us so why try.

You'll accuse me of being high and mighty or a bible beater or Jesus freak to the end. I don't care. You are negative. And I don't mean just in your dealings with me.

Go ahead accuse me when I say this.

I quit smoking not after I had kids. Not before they were born. I tried to give them every advantage I could by stopping smoking before they were even conceived! Yes I know sounds crazy. I want to give them every advantage I can.

I want to eliminate any potential risk that I can. That is the fundamental difference in our thinking. You know it's at the least a POTENTIAL risk. You don't care. You are so concerned with someone telling you what to do. Someone stepping on YOUR rights. You you you. Self centered.

No, Paul, you aren't trying to be a better person by improving yourself. You are trying to FORCE me to be a better person, a more perfect one, in YOUR eyes, by forcing YOUR rules upon me.

The very fact that you would do so, makes you a meddler, a high-&-mighty self-righteous person who thinks he should have the power to control others.

Sorry, but it is YOU who seems to be unable to face a few of life's hard facts.

I freely admit that I am a selfish man, who does many things in the pursuit of my own comfort & well-being.

I also see that I am far from being someone who should rule the lives of others in any way.

You don't seem to have a handle on that part, yet.

Get busy eliminating everything that is a potential risk in your life, & the lives of the ones you love - you know, the ones you SHOULD have some control over - & let me do the same, in my way, with my loved ones.

Otherwise, you are a hypocritical stone-thrower, Paul, & your hubris looks very bad on you.

Sheesh! And here I was gonna try to be so uplifting & positive, today!

Your argument would apply if I was trying to force you to eat right, not own a gun (or force you to own a gun) take better care of yourself, stop smoking. At this point I don't give a crap about you. I care about the innocent you ARE screwing over.

Again your (my) rights end when they interfere with the rights of others. Your own argument turns on you. You dont want someone to take away your rights. That is what you are doing to Jace. Taking his right to breathe clean air.

That isn't true, imho. I smoke with the windows open. You put way too much influence in your opinions, Paul, for that is all that they are.

That it is an unnecessary risk is not an opinion.

Then I'll expect that you will never be in that car to see me, Paul, & you should go somewhere they aren't really needed, & you should only eat the purest of foods, in the most pristine of environments, with the most natural of clothing, without dyes or artificial fibers of any sort...or are you too selfish to follow your own rules?

As I said before the car is a necessary risk for food, education, worship, health care. I do try to eat the purest foods. It's called being a good steward. It applies to the body God hooked me up with, the money God hooks me up with, the earth, etc. I don't know of any advantages of natural clothing.... yet. And I try not to be selfish. I know I must be in some ways as I am a human. When I learn of areas to improve I try to. I'm not a bullheaded, evasive, rationalizer.

BTW you just suffered checkmate with my last post.

I would certainly disagree with that assessment, Paul.

You really DON'T have to have a car, or to live where you do, or eat what you choose to eat, or work where you work, or drink or wear those things that you choose, anymore than I do.

We are free to move about, & to go where we think it will be best for our families, to assure them of the smallest risks possible.

Now get that damned computer out of your house, cuz it's a luxury, & it's filled with radioactive material!

You're funny when you're cornered.