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Your arguments are all based on the notion that there is a such thing as a personal and intelligent creator. That notion is inherently flawed, as I have explained pages earlier.

Maybe I missed it? I end up quoting pieces of your responses to make them easier to find.

So... How is the concept of an intelligent creator... "flawed"?

It is clear that you are adamant on believing and defending your belief in a personal God

Well, yeah. Because I have a relationship with Him. It would almost be like you telling me that my wife doesn't exist, even though we have a relationship together, and we communicate regularly.

and you merely seek to try to alienate me as an emotional cripple to to justify your opinion that I am wrong without actually attacking my arguments with solid fact.

I have suggested you have mental disorders, not that you are an "emotional cripple". And I have suggested that, based on YOUR OWN WORDS, and not in any disguised attempt to misconstrue your positions, or make personal attacks on you.

Your views on the VALUE of people, and particularly the LACK OF VALUE of handicapped people, is so offensive, that they display a complete lack of empathy or compassion. It's not just offended me, but several others who have commented on it. One of them, who had agreed with you on a separate issue, found you so offensive, he left the forum for good.

As to your "arguments" they are weak, illogical and inconsistent. When I point this out, you defend why they would be inconsistent. Which itself is absurd.

Please separate our debates, from my opinions of you personally.

Your comments and positions, have displayed elements of sociopathy, and narcissism to me. I was hoping I was wrong, and that you were merely suffering from a bad life, and used all this as a defense mechanism, but nope... you cling to such views, and even defend them.

They might have went over well in Nazi Germany, where the intrinsic value of human beings was relative, and for the sake of "science" they practiced brutal experiments on children, and twins, etc... but that lack of value of humanity, doesn't go over well with most Americans.

Sorry.

(Which God DO you believe in? Is it Zeus, Apollo, Odin, Yahweh? Who is it? and why do you choose that particular one?)

Creator God.

The same God that the majority of the world's religions worship.

That one.

He has alot of nicknames, but His believers know who they are praying to, and more importantly... HE knows who they are praying to!

Goodwin's law.

lol, good one Cretindilettante.

Is that a sense of humor showing through?

I hereby decree gtZips law:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving The Beverly Hillbillies approaches 0.5"

(Do rocks have a sense of humor? Theyre matter too)

LMAO!

lol, good one Cretindilettante.

Is that a sense of humor showing through?

I hereby decree gtZips law:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving The Beverly Hillbillies approaches 0.5"

(Do rocks have a sense of humor? Theyre matter too)

I may as well have a sense of humor. You can't argue with a guy that insists on making arguments that appeal to emotion, arguments made by misrepresenting or misunderstanding the other side, and general muckraking. He has to rely on calling me a sociopath and a narcissist to reassure himself that I'm full of sh*t. It's not worth it to try to convince someone of my ideas when they continue to defend their delusion poorly.

I was thinking of something...

Unless a person has actually performed a experiment, gathered data, and implemented the knowledge required to arrive at a conclusion... isnt that person just living by their own standard of faith?

Unless we're actually doing the work, when it comes to 'facts', at the end of the day we are all taking someones word for it

There is no good or evil, only intelligent and stupid. If I kill you for money and don't ever get caught, it's smart because I have your money and maintained my freedom. The only reason it's condemned is because people are afraid of someone killing them for their own benefit.

(...)


Handicaps are a burden to society if they inhibit physical and mental capabilities to the point of that particular human being completely useless to society. I'm not paying money so a vegetable or some kid with incredibly fragile bones that will live for 5 years can live while I bust my ass doing something productive.

The statements above, reveal a sociopathic type of mentality. Sociopathy is marked by a lack of EMPATHY, the inability to step into another's shoes, lack of a sense of morality, or regret for actions universally accepted as wrong.

You would euthanize children, who may only live to the age of five, because they are a drain financially and won't contribute much to society?

That's SICKENING!

You are serioulsy f*cked up in the head.

Why do you think you ran the other guy off with those comments? Yet, you don't see the horrific reality of your comments, and you instead, are convinced that you have the "special knowledge" that places you above, inferior traits, like sympathy and compassion?

This has NOTHING to do with debating you. It's just a destestable reality, that is hard to overlook. Kind of like trying to PRETEND that Nazi scientist Joseph Megele, was a respect worthy scientist, while trying to forget what he really was, and the barbarisms he practiced.

There is no good or evil, only intelligent and stupid. If I kill you for money and don't ever get caught, it's smart because I have your money and maintained my freedom. The only reason it's condemned is because people are afraid of someone killing them for their own benefit.

(...)


Handicaps are a burden to society if they inhibit physical and mental capabilities to the point of that particular human being completely useless to society. I'm not paying money so a vegetable or some kid with incredibly fragile bones that will live for 5 years can live while I bust my ass doing something productive.

The statements above, reveal a sociopathic type of mentality. Sociopathy is marked by a lack of EMPATHY, the inability to step into another's shoes, a sense of morality, or regret for actions universally accepted as wrong.

You would euthanize children, who may only live to the age of five, because they are a drain financially and won't contribute much to society.

That's SICKENING!

You are serioulsy f*cked up in the head.

Why do you think you ran the other guy off with those comments? Yet, you don't see the horrific reality of your comments, and you instead, are convinced that you have the "special knowledge" that places you above, inferior traits, like sympathy and compassion.

This has NOTHING to do with debating you. It's just a destestable reality, that is hard to overlook. Kind of like trying to PRETEND that Nazi scientist Joseph Megele, was a respect worthy scientist, while trying to forget what he really was, and the barbarisms he practiced.

I think it's funny that you pick statements out of context, because what I said after that was that violence is, for the most part, out dated and unnecessary in a technological society. Again, you miss the point of everything and focus on fragments of ideas, take them out of context, and make ramblings and assumptions based upon them. As for my lack of sympathy for incredibly disabled and humans that are born critically ill, it has more to do with intelligence than a lack of empathy. In a technological society, there is less strain on individual families than there was during agricultural times. During agricultural times, mentally retarded or physically disabled children were abandoned because they could not possibly contribute to society. While we live in times that are much less severe, those that are critically disabled (meaning those born without function.) are still a burden to society because we pay families to help them care for humans that will never give back to society. They are an economic drain, and thus the most sensible course of action would be to eradicate them. Now, that does not mean we should rid the world of the mentally retarded, or the physically handicapped. It means we should rid the world of non functioning handicaps. A cripple can still think, learn, and contribute to fields of intellectual advancement. The mentally ill or retarded can still perform physical labor, and depending on the illness, can still perform higher level mental tasks. (I believe I mentioned I had a doctor who was somewhat mentally ill much earlier in this thread.)

Cretin, you are one sick puppy.

Your choice of words betrays your sickness.

Speaking of children born "without function"...

"eradicate them"

Eradicate?

In reference to severely disabled children?

And if someone cannot contribute to society, kill them?

There are severely handicapped people who cannot work. They may not contribute to "society" but their family's love them and care for them.

You should see a mental health professional, before you murder someone.

Hmmm...
Neither one of you care to address my thought?

Oh well.

I was thinking of something...

Unless a person has actually performed a experiment, gathered data, and implemented the knowledge required to arrive at a conclusion... isnt that person just living by their own standard of faith?

Unless we're actually doing the work, when it comes to 'facts', at the end of the day we are all taking someones word for it

Well, I think you have a point. But knowing that, we still collect the best evidence we can, of the veracity of something.

It's a good point for "spiritual experiences" in particular, because unlike the physical world, it is impossible to HOLD or MEASURE an "experience". That is the great difficulty, in convincing others of the reality of something spiritual. You almost have to EXPERIENCE it personally, to understand. Someone who doesn't, would just dimiss it as a hallucination, or feelings run amok.

Cretin, you are one sick puppy.

Your choice of words betrays your sickness.

Speaking of children born "without function"...

"eradicate them"

Eradicate?

In reference to severely disabled children?

And if someone cannot contribute to society, kill them?

There are severely handicapped people who cannot work. They may not contribute to "society" but their family's love them and care for them.

You should see a mental health professional, before you murder someone.

I love it! I love it! You cannot excuse your inability to argue without using logical fallacies so you resort to calling me sick! I love it! I love it!

I love it! I love it! You cannot excuse your inability to argue without using logical fallacies so you resort to calling me sick! I love it! I love it!

My opinion of you personally has nothing to do with debating issues.

I asked you to summarize what it is you feel I haven't addressed properly, but you haven't.

Grow up.

I love it! I love it! You cannot excuse your inability to argue without using logical fallacies so you resort to calling me sick! I love it! I love it!

My opinion of you personally has nothing to do with debating issues.

I asked you to summarize what it is you feel I haven't addressed properly, but you haven't.

Grow up.

Oh, but I have! You have misinterpreted my entire argument, almost as badly as you misinterpreted Obama's political stances.

Edit: I think you should reread everything, separate yourself from your beliefs and biases, and actually try to UNDERSTAND my ideas rather than nitpicking statements out of context, getting all emotional over nothing, and writing paragraphs of sh*t irrelevant to my overall point.