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If you think that I think that Islam is a good thing, you're the delusional one.

I'm fully aware of their treatment of women.

It doesn't have to be a "good" thing. In giving it an EQUAL place at the table of the world's religions, you are saying it is an ACCEPTABLE thing. You condone it, and Phil as well, to even SUGGEST that it is as "harmless" or else "no more harmful" than other major religions.

IT IS A VERY DIFFERENT RELIGION.

And not for the better.

When it's teachings are watered down, or when certain parts of it are REJECTED outright, THEN, and ONLY THEN, will be of less concern, than it should be.

I apologize to you and Phil both for my emotional responses to this, but it affects me personal for several reasons.

1) I have a personal knowledge IMO that this is a FAR MORE SERIOUS situation and threat, than either of you believe. I am yelling at someone to watch out for that deep hole... Neither of you believe there is a hole. That's fine. We'll see who is right as time progresses. I understand you don't believe there is a threat, as I do, or that it is all self-inflicted due to our foreign policy. I disagree, and history bears ME out, not either of you.

2) Islam's abuse of women affects me personally. I was abusive in my first marriage. I was very controlling, verbally abusive, and even violent a few times. I only learned later, that I felt a need to control, because I had a deep rooted "fear of abandonment" I was unaware of, from childhood abuses that occured to me. But losing my marriage, CHANGED MY LIFE FOREVER! I worked hard, from that day on, to become a better person, and to become the loving and generous person that I "THOUGHT" I already was.

Abuse of women, even verbal, makes me VERY ANGRY.

This religion is SYSTEMIC in it's abuse of women.

It is not the fault of "whackos"... it is the TEACHINGS of the religion itself.

It was conceived in violence.

It grew through violence.

It has NOT abandoned it's justification of taking the WORLD by violence.

We are not talking about a problem child here... "Oh, he'll grow up sooner or later"

We are talking about a MAJOR RELIGION that is COVERING THE GLOBE, and STILL, has designs on subjugating the world under Sharia law and Muslim rule.

A religion of WEALTHY OIL PRODUCING COUNTRIES that finance terrorists, and have the money and wherewithall to obtain a nuclear weapon.

It is not a mere religious argument over benign doctrines.

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you are saying it is an ACCEPTABLE thing. You condone it

Craig...

Come off it.

I don't "condone" it; how can you seriously think that?

We are talking about a MAJOR RELIGION that is COVERING THE GLOBE, and STILL, has designs on subjugating the world...

Insert any religion right there and that statement is true. The Mormons want to subjugate the world too; they just go about it differently. Every religion thinks they're right, and they won't be happy until the entire world thinks the way they do.

I don't condone religion; period.

But I'm not going to take up arms and start killing people. That's not a solution.


I really don't know what these attacks on me have to do with anything, or why you're so hell-bent on attacking me.

I think I've made it pretty clear: I don't condone hate, fear, or the abuse of fellow human beings. It's NOT a religious argument for me; it's a human argument.

Like I said earlier; I don't think there's anything I can say or do to convince you otherwise. For whatever reason, you've developed a perception of me that fits your ideas in your head, and you're sticking to it.

It's a shame we couldn't have a face-to-face conversation.

We are talking about a MAJOR RELIGION that is COVERING THE GLOBE, and STILL, has designs on subjugating the world...

Insert any religion right there and that statement is true. The Mormons want to subjugate the world too; they just go about it differently.

Wow. Genius right there!

Why didn't I see it before?

Mormons will knock on people's doors, riding their little bikes from neighborhood to neighborhood, and when you don't accept their religion, they walk away disappointed, whereas Muslims believe they can slit your throat or set off a bomb, if you don't accept THEIR religion.

Why didn't I see it before?

It's almost identical, isn't it?

It's so clear now.

See? That's what I get for not finishing college.

You must have gotten a PHD from yours?

I'm man enough to admit when I'm confronted with superior intellect and education.

Humbling, but I deserved it.

Thank you.

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Of course there is a very serious threat, Craig. It will remain as long as we keep sticking our noses where they don't belong. It will remain as long as we keep rattling OUR swords. It will remain as long as we continue to allow our leaders like Loserman spout his hatred & bigotry.

It is likely to consume us all in its wake, because of plain ol' bigotry.

I know just enough about biblical prophesy to know it's about as much bunk as the other prophesies, Craig. Esp if you look at the timeline. According to the bible, it happened more than a 1,000 yrs ago already, I do believe...so the prophesy is already in question, since it obviously did NOT happen when the book said it would. Of course, if it does, the biblical scholars will all shout "See! We told you!" Like they really had a frikken clue!

Where have I said that these atrocities that you so rabidly spout are acceptable?

You have personal knowledge in your opinion? Wtf am I supposed to make of that?

Islam's abuse of women affects you personally because you were abusive? How many ppl stepped in & kicked your ass, or denied you food & meds for it? No one.

But that's what we've done to them.

In no way have I condoned the ill treatment of anyone. I have said, & I will continue to say that it's not our business to attend to these things. That, sir, is for the UN, of which we are a part, & have a vote. We have no further rights to intervene than the moslems do in our affairs that they find so disturbing. The difference, though, is that we HAVE unilaterally intervened without the UN even voting on some of our interventions. THey have not.

So you just sit there on your high horse & condemn us for seeing things the way they are, while you look at things the way you's like to spin them to excuse your bigotry, cuz that's what I see every time you talk on this subject, pure & simple.

Now that I think of it...

I know of a Jewish father who didn't like his young daughter wearing make-up at that age. He grounded her to her room, when she snuck around and did it anyway.

And Muslim father's may feel similarly justified when their daughters do the same, and so they stab them to death in honor killings, with the rest of the males of the family, supporting the punishment.

Hmm.... Death... Grounding...

IDENTICAL!!!!

Why aren't you running for President?

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Of course there is a very serious threat, Craig. It will remain as long as we keep sticking our noses where they don't belong.

You're right of course.

All the centuries of bloody expansion by Muslims BEFORE the nation of America existed, was purely coincidental. They just want to rule all the rest of the world, but will gladly stop when they get to America's front door, cause we let them have all those other countries!

Genius again!

You should be Colors running mate for the 2012 elections.

You guys are like LOGIC on CRACK!!!

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It will remain as long as we keep sticking our noses where they don't belong. It will remain as long as we keep rattling OUR swords.

So we're the cause of those terrible acts?

Funny, cause I thought we went over there because they attacked us and killed 3000 American citizens on September 11th, 2001

I don't see how us being there causes them to follow their own religion and kill women...

Ryan - reread the posts. You are obviously out of your depth, here.

Craig - we've already discussed how they've splintered into factions, & could not rise up to take over the world without a unifying enemy, & how we are more than willing to fill that role.

Go back through the threads, man.

There were centuries of bloody forced conversions at the same time by the christians, so don't even go there.

You're still showing pure bigotry...

I don't see how us being there (MIDDLE EAST) causes them to follow their own religion and kill women...

Now, now Ryan!

It's like this...

Islamic religion is peace loving and benign... but the Muslims who actually FOLLOW it's teachings, are mentall ill when they do so.

It's hard to wrap your head around, I know.

It's kind of like Fermat's Last Theorem.

That kind of mental workout is just beyond people like me and you.

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There were centuries of bloody forced conversions at the same time by the christians, so don't even go there

We've also been through this. Those "christians" who killed in the name of God were not real Christians...They were frauds. God never asked them to kill anybody, whereas, the Quran tells muslims to remove the heads of non-believers.

Like I said earlier; I don't think there's anything I can say or do to convince you otherwise. For whatever reason, you've developed a perception of me that fits your ideas in your head, and you're sticking to it.

I'm just kind of miffed, that you aren't willing to lay blame where it belongs. I'm not afraid of admitting that America started a civil war in Panama so the "new government" would allow us to build a canal through Panama. But I also acknowledge that after World War 1 and 2, we helped rebuild the countries that were our enemies, so that now, they are actually our competitors in the global market for goods and services. Find me another country that ever did that.

Similarly,

I admit that many Muslims distance themselves from their own teachings on violent overthrow of the world, and even honor killings, but I also admit that "IT IS" their religious teaching, to do those things, not a misunderstanding of them. And that there are MAJOR blocks of the Muslim world ACTIVELY WORKING toward that goal, and committing those attrocities, and not merely a "few whackos" like you find anywhere and everywhere.

Why can't YOU admit that truth?

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Ryan I`m from NC too but buddy it`s Koran ! lol By the way you need a shot of sumthin to clear that up brother ! lol

That kind of mental workout is just beyond people like me and you.

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Actually, I feel quite at home discussing this in a nonemotional way, Craig, & also feel quite all right in my assessments of the situations.

Ryan - Charlemaigne is considered one of the "best" leaders of his time by our modern historians. It was taught in our schools up until recently that he was the most influencial christian in European history, as he went abroad & "converted the savage races."

Our children, hell, even I was taught, that this was a "good man."

I guess it's all in your perspective, eh?

I`ve killed many Hodgie`s & well I kinda think I like it!! No Joke from the triangle of death in Iraq to Kandahar trashganistan they are worrthless. Except some of the women some are actully hottie`s . Just hottie`s in a veil!! You should see what a .50 does when it hit`s no hole you phucking explode pink mist n all!! Even though I have PTSD I`d do it again!!! Ryan youre right it`s not72 female virgins it`s all the one`s that blew themselves up in suicide bombings. To do so one must be a virgin!! Bet they get pissed when they find out they r gonna get corn holed !! yeeeeehaaaaa!!!

Oh dear god...is this what we aspire to?