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Hello, All!

One North Born, Oregonian, God-Damn American Metalhead!

I thought it appropriate, after slamming various tweets in Haiku. It now describes me @RLKumpf!
Northern Folk are Norse. I'm from North America. I also define the American Flag as symbolizing "Our Republic, Our Teacher..."
Perhaps you've seen images of the Rebel Army of America's south. They carry a "Rebel Flag." It's also a prominent image in much of our modern-music media.
This flag actually belongs to the State of Georgia. It is one of the flags of the Peach State.
There is a John Wayne movie, where he portrays the role of a cowboy clad in a pink-scarf. McLintock! The "Rebel" forces are present, in the Civil War era...
The press notes Syrian Nationals wearing pink-turbans. It makes me wonder if our problems with their Civil War, are actually related to the American Civil-War of history. I doubt anybody in North America wants the whole country to be renamed The Peach State!
"But, should old acquaintance be forgot, Keep an eye on the Grand Old Flag..." I quote from an American Patriotic Anthem...
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Sincerely,

Robert Lee Kumpf
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...what bob said.

The Rebel Flag to me symbolizes the last stand of Americans willing and able to live under the law without Washington micro-managing and stealing our money.

It symbolizes what our Mississippi boys pulled off at Gettysburg, splitting the Yankee center on 2 July.

How I wish we'd won that day. Sadly, every 2 July seems to be followed by a 3 July. Man proposes - God disposes.

How would it have worked out? Slavery would have ended peaceably as it did exactly EVERYWHERE in the world except Africa where it lingers thanks to the Religion of Peace. And no Jim Crow, no Civil Rights movement - just Southerners.

The Yankee govt would have been too weak to launch multiple wars against people who can't find North America on the map yet are characterized as terrible threats to our 'freedom'.

The influence of their Southern neighbors would have been a positive effect on the corrosive plans of the Statists up North by setting a good example to voters who could see 'freedom is just across the border' and maybe want some for themselves.

Immigration from Mexico would have been handled lawfully - not at the whim of a pack of traitors in the damnable city on the Potomac. We might in fact, have finally merged with Mexico who knows - we have a lot of common ground.

But that is just my opinion.

Talbot

The Civil War first and foremost was a war of conscience. Many Southerners fought with the North and vice-versa. Brother fought against brother, in many cases actually met on the battlefield. Washington doesn't "micromanage" our money and lives on a level even near of that in say North Korea or the former Soviet Union, and certainly during the Civil War taxes weren't anywhere near as high as today. So as far as the Civil War being a last stand against Wasington, I say hogwash. It was a stand to try and bring about social equality, which sadly is still going on today.

The way I understand it Lincoln is credited with freeing the slaves. Crazy because he was a slave owner and did NOT want that, to controversial at the time. It was forced on his presidency. The civil war was about NOT separating the country. Yankee's (some) wanted to abolish slavery, some did NOT! Personally I don't think any man should be enslaved by another. Like I said as I understand, the civil war was more about FORCING the south into taxation. Some of what we were taught about history is NOT TRUE! Then again nothing has really changed it is all agenda driven!

the real reason for the Civil War was the southern aristocracy(bluebloods) which owned the majority of slaves could not stomach the financial loss of losing all the money they had invested in their slaves.. most southerners did not own slaves, but those who did were also in the seats of government forcing their wishes on the common man southerner who was generally envious of the slaves with more aristocratic southern mannerisms instilled into them by their masters..

I throw your 'hogwash' right back at you Bob.

Do you think it was a coincidence that the Baltic nations were flying the Stars and Bars when the USSR fell apart?

Here is a tip - foreigners don't learn their history in US Public Schools.

Here is a quote from John Breckinridge - form VP of the US as he prepared to don the grey and fight for his rights: "People today are throwing their rights at the feet of the government in ways no foreign king would dare to suggest." I think he knew something about what he was fighting for.

Talbot

I throw your 'hogwash' right back at you Bob.

Do you think it was a coincidence that the Baltic nations were flying the Stars and Bars when the USSR fell apart?

Here is a tip - foreigners don't learn their history in US Public Schools.

Here is a quote from John Breckinridge - form VP of the US as he prepared to don the grey and fight for his rights: "People today are throwing their rights at the feet of the government in ways no foreign king would dare to suggest." I think he knew something about what he was fighting for.

Talbot

If what you say is true, how do you explain that for well over 100 years after the Civil War, blacks were treated less than 2nd class citizens, or worse. The "history" that is taught in the Soviet Union or modern day Russia would most certainly have an anti-U.S. bias.

I studied Russian History in college. They were extreme experts at misinformation. They HAD to be. The collectivization and industrialization of the Soviet Union conservatively cost ten million lives. Joseph Stalin had a saying "No people no problem." American "history" any place that is biased against us is always going to be full of lies and half truths.

I studied Russian History in college. They were extreme experts at misinformation. They HAD to be. The collectivization and industrialization of the Soviet Union conservatively cost ten million lives. Joseph Stalin had a saying "No people no problem." American "history" any place that is biased against us is always going to be full of lies and half truths.

NO SHIIT! If you like your plan, you can keep your plan... If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. If you just step this way, we have a place to protect you. Who the heck cares about an ambassador and a couple of Americans... "That was such a long time ago" (H clinton)

Every progressive out there... wants to fundamentally change America. It doesn't matter how many lying promises are made. I say, get the FUUUCCCKKK out of MY country... Before... I have to pry your cold dead hands off of YOUR GUNS.

By the way... As politically incorrect as it has become to wish me a merry Christmas... MERRY CHRISTMAS!

It's human nature to think that everyone that gets into power is going to be able to change things for the better.

The fact is that it's more than just the person that came up with the original idea. It's implementation and every person under the very first one.

So if you don't have a slew of people exactly as the very first, it's going to be slightly different as a rule.

Then you throw in a group of people that don't want change, so they will work as hard as possible to destroy whatever change is coming down the mountain on any given day.

What you start with is a nice pie and afterwards if they don't work together what you get is a mud pie.

You like eating mud? I don't but I sure do know what it tastes like.

Is anything going to be exactly as originally described? My guess is that is a resounding "no".

I pray a lot and hope for the best, but let's face it.
We'd rather kill each other than work together, that's just human nature.

It's never been all about everyone on one planet, it's this continent vs that continent or similar derivation.

And it's sad, but until a bigger problem comes along that we can't solve by ourselves, we won't even look to include anyone but the core of our own little house of lies and deceit.

History is there to remember the mistakes man makes in order not to repeat them and you know no one likes to remember the bad things, only the good. So we'll be repeating our mistakes any time now and the bodies will fall everywhere until there aren't so many bodies anymore.

Then maybe we might learn to work together instead of attempting to show malice to our fellows in arms.

"It's all one world, one planet, one race of people". Get used to it.

I'd love to blame the world and everyone in it for everything bad, but I just can't. I have to take responsibility for my own part of it and attempt to be better and not repeat mistakes I already know of. And that's no easy feat, lemme tell ya.

Add some power, money and you automatically get DENIAL.
Once that starts going, anything can happen and that's where we are right now.

Change starts in your own backyard. Be the catalyst...not the antagonist.

Bob

I think you missed my point - Jim Crowe was a result of the Yankees stomping all over us and then unleashing hordes of carpetbaggers who manipulated freed slaves to take over local and even state governments. Naturally we hated their guts, and people being what they are, maintained some of the hatred when the reason for it was long gone.

My point is that had we ourselves ended slavery, and we would have, there would have been no Jim Crowe, and a vast amount of the nastiness that currently convulses this country would never have happened.

One other terrible reminder of the War is the paucity of decent leaders in the South or North these days. The war really did take the very best - on both sides.

Talbot

all we needed was the North to give reparations to all the slaveholders in some sort of monetary payment to compensate them for their huge financial loos in giving up their slaves and the Civil War might never have happened.. if I had some sort of expensive chattel or property I would not like to take the financial loss either... granted engine powered farm machinery was a few years away in the early 1860's but the advancement of agricultural technology would have eventually made slavery obsolete, anyhow.. I'll bet there is some sort of archive a guy can see how much the southern slaveholders forfeited in dollar amounts when their slaves were set free..

At what point does another man have the RIGHT to enter another mans backyard and plunder and kill.

This is becoming a common theme among all that believe we have to change everything to make it better. Unfortunately the word change has been altered to the word CONTROL. Control means the power to plunder and destroy and thus enslave a free man.

This is the underlying theme of all the "PROGRESSIVE" thinkers. Every one from hitler to castro.

Sorry if I protest so loudly... NOT IN MY BACKYARD!!!!!!!!!

Sorry if I'm not talking about the civil war over slavery.

Yes no man should ever be a slave. No man is another mans property. Skin color is the most ridiculous reason to harbor any prejudice!