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As some of you may know, I'm a huge science buff, particularly cosmology and paleontology. For the past few years I've been watching a series on the science channel called Through The Wormhole hosted by Morgon Freeman (that dude's voice is everywhere). Last night's show was called "Did Man Invent God?", which has become a valid topic in science (for most of the history of science the G word was not uttered). One of the more interesting questions was why do uneducated, poor and marginalized people tend to be more religious. The answer seems to be that the mind always tries to find order and patterns in the world around us when the person has less control over their lives. Those who have more control over their lives - education, position, power, etc - tend to be less religious. Therefore God may be a construct developed by people who had little control over their lives - the Jews in Egypt for example. Over time some people recognized this and created organized religion as a way of controlling large populations of people. The ironic part of all this is that science is now asking what came "before" the Big Bang, and one of the valid answers is that a supreme being created the universe. Bear in mind that it's just as likely that the universe spontaneously created itself. Fascinating stuff, I encourage those of you with interest in these subjects to check out this series.

I believe I've read somewhere in the Upanishads or something that the material universe is a small portion in which we live compared to the spiritual universe which is basically unseen.... this comes from the same ancient Aryans that spoke of "flying cars" UFOs?

I really can't comment on that Dane other than to say the visible universe is just a fraction of all the stuff in the universe - dark matter and dark energy account for more than 3/4 of everything. What exactly this stuff is we're not sure because they can't be detected, but we do know the effect they have on our universe. Dark matter seems to make things clump together (galaxies and galaxy clusters) while dark energy seems to be causing the universe to accelerate its expansion which has been occuring since the Big Bang.

I am very ignorant and uneducated, because I believe in things we cant see, such as God. But, I make up for my Ignorance by my own very shrewd ability to hedge a bet and put real leverage in my corner: Simply Put, I wuld rather believe in the unseen, which others deem non existent, only to discover I was wrong, than to believe and assert as an athiest, that god doesn't exist...only to discover I was wrong.

So, guess I'll just continue to be uneducated and ignorant. But I sure do Like watching anything with Morgan Freeman in it

II-8: Placing the body in a straight posture, holding the chest, throat and head erect, and drawing the senses and the mind into the heart, the knowing one should cross over all the fearful currents by means of the raft of Brahman.

II-9: Controlling the senses with an effort, and regulating the activities in the body, one should breathe out through the nostrils when the vital activities become gentle. Then the knowing one, without being in the least distracted, should keep his hold on the mind as on the reins attached to restive horses.

II-10: One should perform one’s exercises in concentration, resorting to caves and such other pure places helpful to its practice – places where the ground is level without pebbles, and the scenery pleasing to the eyes; where there is no wind, dust, fire, dampness and disturbing noises.

II-11: Forms that appear like snow, smoke, sun, wind, fire, fire-fly, lightning, crystal and moon, precede the manifestation of Brahman in Yoga practice.

Science can only show what God did, it can not explain how God did it, neither can it explain God.

I can only picture a bunch of amoebas sitting around the conference room discussing what they wanted to be when they evolved. Some wanted to be trees... and some wanted to become various forms of animals. A few of them decided they liked the ocean and chose to be fish and plankton.

Then one day a group of them decided to become monkeys which eventually morphed into humans. But this was brought about only because of the confusion passed down generation to generation through their amoeba lineage.

I'm rather convinced that liberals want to evolve back to amoebas and live again in the peaceful ocean where their reasoning would makes some sort of sense.

As opposed to your post which makes no sense. Read a book some time.

Science can only show what God did, it can not explain how God did it, neither can it explain God.

not so....more accurate would be "Science can only show what god did to those who believe in god.....and to those who believe god is responsible for creating everything.


of course w no scientific proof of god's existence....."science can not explain how God did it, neither can it explain God."

I'm rather convinced that liberals want to evolve back to amoebas and live again in the peaceful ocean where their reasoning would makes some sort of sense.

well that's the problem in a nutshell.....only YOUR reasoning makes sense to you and you can't fathom how or why anyone might "reason" differently.

alrighty then, libs all want to devolve back to amoeba......now THERE'S some sound reasoning! personally i have no desire to move backwards.

but it seems there's plenty of conservative thinkers who want to jump in the 'ol DeLorean and travel back to the "good ol days"...to "devolve" to before we had this problem w all them mexicans, before gays started getting married, before abortion was legal, before......

As some of you may know, I'm a huge science buff, particularly cosmology and paleontology. For the past few years I've been watching a series on the science channel called Through The Wormhole hosted by Morgon Freeman (that dude's voice is everywhere). Last night's show was called "Did Man Invent God?", which has become a valid topic in science (for most of the history of science the G word was not uttered). One of the more interesting questions was why do uneducated, poor and marginalized people tend to be more religious. The answer seems to be that the mind always tries to find order and patterns in the world around us when the person has less control over their lives. Those who have more control over their lives - education, position, power, etc - tend to be less religious. Therefore God may be a construct developed by people who had little control over their lives - the Jews in Egypt for example. Over time some people recognized this and created organized religion as a way of controlling large populations of people. The ironic part of all this is that science is now asking what came "before" the Big Bang, and one of the valid answers is that a supreme being created the universe. Bear in mind that it's just as likely that the universe spontaneously created itself. Fascinating stuff, I encourage those of you with interest in these subjects to check out this series.

thanks jimmydanger for sharing this..

I do not know what the word for it is, but I find it strange how certain ancient cultures and/or civilizations although not having any contact whatsoever with each other had shared knowledge of certain phenomenon.. as an example, pyramids, ancient Egypt had these as well as some ancient new world civilizations, that's odd in itself.. also headdresses, something that were eerily similar in form and shape in Egypt as well as the new world.. the 365 day calendar was close in the new world and old world civilizations that were not in close contact to each other so they could not have robbed ideas from one another.... even the idea of God or Gods itself was established in the new world and the old world too both separate cultures without contact but BOTH KNEW GOD EXISTED! too coincidental for me.. you would think at least one ancient culture would be more inclined to be atheists if statistics was in play.. funny though, there are no I REITERATE NO ACCOUNTS of atheists existing back when cultures were in contact with ancient truths such as the fact God or lesser Gods abound... atheism is a new man made ideal

The 365 day calendar was pretty much a given in all cultures because that's almost how many rising suns it takes to return to the same place (1 year and a quarter of a day!). The pyramids may have a been a good choice because of their long-lasting ability to withstand erosion. The idea of God is a uniquely human quality, because the human brain tries to make patterns and connections even when there's nothing really there. It's hard wired into our brains.

I've seen some of the series and it's interesting enough as I enjoy science immensely.

I however would interject that through out history those whom consider themselves "intellectually enlightened" would post themselves as God or the ultimate intelligence of the universe and there fore deluded by these deceits of satan move away from the ONE TRUE GOD.

Amazing the universe He created.

The 365 day calendar was pretty much a given in all cultures because that's almost how many rising suns it takes to return to the same place (1 year and a quarter of a day!). The pyramids may have a been a good choice because of their long-lasting ability to withstand erosion. The idea of God is a uniquely human quality, because the human brain tries to make patterns and connections even when there's nothing really there. It's hard wired into our brains.

I Guess there is really no such thing as love then. We cant claim that family members love one another, since we cant actually 'see' love, perse...Its not tangible, therefore it must not exist...therefore when people proclaim love, they must be lying.

Nobody saw the different colors in the sun's white light until somebody's brain made patterns and connections , enough to develop a prism filter. One could argue that the filter came about after scraps of physical evidence had presented themselves via rainbows and fractal lighting...in which case, someones's brain had then made the patterns and connections.

I cannot say that a God does not exist, simply because I cant 'see' him/her... But i can tell you this, I see a lot of fractal lighting (evidence and clues) that make my brain develop a pattern and a connection. One day, I will have my filter , such that I can see /prove God exists. The base element that I use to construct my filter is called "Faith" , which ironically, requires no evidence.

The fool says in his heart "There is no God"

The 365 day calendar was pretty much a given in all cultures because that's almost how many rising suns it takes to return to the same place (1 year and a quarter of a day!). The pyramids may have a been a good choice because of their long-lasting ability to withstand erosion. The idea of God is a uniquely human quality, because the human brain tries to make patterns and connections even when there's nothing really there. It's hard wired into our brains.

but why were there no atheist groups in the ancient world? it seems they would have a high percentage of atheists back then like in today's world.. through all my research I have never found documented proof there ever were "bands" or "tribes" of atheists in the ancient world.. statistically there should have been whole, albeit small communities of atheists like in the modern world.. but everybody knew for a fact a God or gods existed.. maybe they knew something the modern man has forgotten over time.. to this day, the blue color of Luxor can not be duplicated as well as Greek Fire can't be reproduced so I know the ancients had technology then that has been lost so it stands to reason, belief systems could be lost also..to each their own, but I've never understood how people can believe there is no Creator when it is evident stuff does not magically appear out of thin air.. a salamander can never develop into a primate since chromosome counts can not mutate..