General Music Chat

Rock and roll is devils music and you can’t convince me that it isn’t, David Bowie
I just want peoples opinions on this. What do people think of Christian rock bands and Christian musicians posting ads or other stuff here? Especially with rock music thrown in. Are these people serious about playing rock music.
As I understand it rock, especially heavy metal is what many Christians consider one of the ultimate evils in this culture and If they preach why are they here on the web pretending to be rock stars or trying to be like them.
I’ve read many books by core Christians denouncing rock music, I don’t argue about there claims, Satan worship, sexual immorality, suicide among the issues they bring up. They have called out my favorite bands like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, classic rock bands like David Bowie, The Rolling Stones. They have hailed the PMRC and other government regulations on rock bands. I don’t believe in censorship, government regulations of any kind.
I see a lot of Christian ads here, things like Christian rock. A lot of them like to intrude on others about there views, and some political, brag on how they like to preach to others if they like it or not especially in rock music environments.

How an individual reacts to message musical or not, is a personal choice.

It's not governed by satan or God.
But by the individuals free will.

I never bought into that psychobable BS about how music or violent games cause people to do this or that.
Sexual immorality ( by what ever standard one might judge ) suicide ETC are acts of the individual.
The message or the mode of delivery is irrelevant and bears no responsibility IMO.
Only the actor is responsible for action.

I've always liked the power of " rock music " and I choose to "rock" with a positive message because it is as I wish.

If anyone be " moved " by the message it would be the work of the Spirit.
Not of my hand, nor of my music.

Yea I agree that music is govern by individuals and not by satan or god. I do take in account the quote I wrote in above by David Bowie. People take advantage of these quotes and the issue becomes serious to me when there is legal or legislative implications. Especially for political reasons or sometimes frivolous lawsuits. I wanted to keep this forum started short and add information on as I go because I think this is a deep subject. I’ve seen bands like Judas Priest being taken to court because of folks committing suicide supposedly listening to there music. I’m the critical or the angry type but I want to play music to improve things in this world. I love writing political stuff. I’m working on vocals. I would love to get this stuff uploaded soon.

Live Free or Die

Society as a whole have always looked outside themselves when looking to attach blame and thereby escape their own responsibility.
It's human nature.
As stated, I hold the view that only the individual is responsible for his or her action.
But then I'm simple like that.
I do not believe that the ever quoted "gray areas" exist.
There is right and there is wrong.
Only man would blur the lines in order to once again dodge his responsibility.
Utilizing foolish quotes of an entertainer as evidence of anything other than his own ignorance is another one of those dodge responsibility ploys.
My meaning being, Judas Priest nor anyone else other that the actor himself is responsible for an action such as suicide.
As a Christian, I know we were created in God's image. Meaning I have free will, and fully bear the responsibility of my decisions.
The beauty of the message of redemption is that Christ accepted that responsibility of my sins in my behalf in his Father's eyes.
He bore my punishment in his free will.

Look forward to hearing your music.

You said books and core Christians and so on. I've got this to say. The Bible is What They call God's Word. It Is the CORE of Christian faith. If you have read BOOKS- have you or do you read the BIBLE? What others say after the fact of which you are trying to present with other books that are NOT the HOLY word of GOD, cannot be recognized in Christian faith other than books that were written and that you've read. As Mankind loves music, I find nothing in the Bible that says it's evil. One could argue that television is evil. With the end times approaching, (signs of the times, Christian television is available now in EVERY country around the world, very recent), it May be the way that we see Jesus' return. Hope I'm not one of 'em. I want to be gone on the first calling. I digress. As that Able was the son of Adam and Eve he was also the first player of the first stringed instrument- the harp. David was also a harp player and there were plenty of chances for the word of God to have had a word to say about how (if he did) he felt this activity was unsavery or unclean. In fact these two players were in high regards in God's eyes. Read all the books you want, there is only one that actually contains the clues to your destiny!

Well I’m glad you comment on the bible, you comment If you have read BOOKS- have you or do you read the BIBLE? What others say after the fact of which you are trying to present with other books that are NOT the HOLY word of GOD, cannot be recognized in Christian faith other than books that were written and that you've read. If that is the case I shouldn’t be seeing any BOOKS written by any Christian you know or admire in stores anytime soon including Christian book stores. I don’t care if you hate my guts and scream all you want about the bible and scream gods love at me. There might not be anything in the bible about evil but your mind is. Exclamation points and bold letters in your diatribe is pretty much shouting at me and is one of the reasons most others prefer to read more BOOKS and other stuff on what you really are. Your example is why I would not come into your church and see any sense of spirituality. Not a word of niceness or rationality comes from you. I don’t care if you could care less. On David being a harp player, as you wrote. He felt his activity (his music) was unsavory or unclean, as with David even if you are in high regard in gods eyes why are you hanging around here on band mix !!!!!!! As to the clues to my destiny. I did not ask for anyone’s opinion on getting saved on this post.

I like what I call the higher realm. Above politics, religion, I know people usually prefer spiritual and not religious. I get along with everyone on that level. I believe in freedom. Everybody should express themselves. I think it is not only our right but more so our duty. The black and white that you are talking about. So many grey areas in society today and I think we are going to run into somthing terrible. I'm watching the financual world right now. Right and wrong is getting done away with to much. Might even be Apocalyptic. I like point A to point B. I'm like that at work, in 7 years I have never lied, Ive done tons of other things but the one thing people do is trust me. Keep up the faith!!!!!!

I'm a practicing 'core' Christian and somehow I must be slacking off since I don't seem to find time to boss people around and criticize them. Christianity is about sharing the Gospel of Christ - the gift of salvation. You can figure out the ground rules after you join the club.

I'd suggest you not base your understanding of what Christianity is about on the clowns who masquerade as pastors on radio and TV. A sort of user's manual for the bare bones of the faith can be found in the Lutheran Small Catechism or in CS Lewis' "Mere Christianity."

As to Christian Rock. I haven't heard that much - and I confess I'm not clear on why some rock would be so categorized. I don't knock it - I just don't get it.

I admit to issues - my wife slams me a lot for some of the songs I write - but they are stories of various types people and events, often told from the perspective of some character who pops into my mind. Real people get into all kinds of crappy situations and I can't ignore that in my music. To me we honor God with our music when we do our very best.

cheers
Talbot

I'm sorry about shouting. I understand. For the 6 words I used all caps to punctuate my point. My post was also merely my opinion only. I do read the Bible. No music coming out of it like a Hallmark card. I also watch a lot of Christian television- TBN. I have yet to markedly witness anything produced on that network that doesn't include music. Christian music as I know it is anything that acknowledges the existence of any of the Holy Trinity. Would you consider the Jesus left Chicago by ZZ Top song evil? Sorry, a lot of caps there again, I hope I didn't hurt you. Any of the Christian books I would read and consider to be a Christian book has to meet one criteria- it has references to the Holy Bible and in doing that tells you where it can be found in the Bible. (All these caps, I must be slaying you.) Your mention of Christian books you've read leaves us with no author or title to give us free will to investigate what you have read that has left you perplexed enough to initiate a topic. (Just in case you misunderstood what you've read- kinda like the way you thought my opinion was an assault). The Bible has many references in it about evil, Hell, and the devil. Jack Van Impe could tell you where to find it and how many times those words are in the Bible. I don't apologize for clarifying to others the difference between opinions and the Holy word. As for your destiny, well, I gathered from your question you needed to know evil from good (music), as to whether you should use it in your repertoire. On the one hand there are entitie such as the ACLU who want to have the words "In God We Trust" removed from anything public, and now we have people such as yourself who want to remove music from Christianity. I felt attacked. God be with you in your endeavors.

Crunch

I like your selection - although I prefer Strat, Samurai and Glock!

Talbot

I'm sorry about shouting. I understand. For the 6 words I used all caps to punctuate my point. My post was also merely my opinion only. I do read the Bible. No music coming out of it like a Hallmark card. I also watch a lot of Christian television- TBN. I have yet to markedly witness anything produced on that network that doesn't include music. Christian music as I know it is anything that acknowledges the existence of any of the Holy Trinity. Would you consider the Jesus left Chicago by ZZ Top song evil? Sorry, a lot of caps there again, I hope I didn't hurt you. Any of the Christian books I would read and consider to be a Christian book has to meet one criteria- it has references to the Holy Bible and in doing that tells you where it can be found in the Bible. (All these caps, I must be slaying you.) Your mention of Christian books you've read leaves us with no author or title to give us free will to investigate what you have read that has left you perplexed enough to initiate a topic. (Just in case you misunderstood what you've read- kinda like the way you thought my opinion was an assault). The Bible has many references in it about evil, Hell, and the devil. Jack Van Impe could tell you where to find it and how many times those words are in the Bible. I don't apologize for clarifying to others the difference between opinions and the Holy word. As for your destiny, well, I gathered from your question you needed to know evil from good (music), as to whether you should use it in your repertoire. On the one hand there are entitie such as the ACLU who want to have the words "In God We Trust" removed from anything public, and now we have people such as yourself who want to remove music from Christianity. I felt attacked. God be with you in your endeavors.

I apoligize as well, my shouting to your responce aint gonna help me form a band or sell cd's online. I have enough stress in the factory working over 50 hours. I can just walk away from this. A half truth is just as bad as a full lie. When I mentioned the PMRC I did not say who started it. Democrats, Al Gore's wife Tipper Gore and 2 other women. One married to Tip O'neil and I believe another demacrat. I picked only Christians as the issue and I was wrong. I want to remediate further on taking music out of Christianity. Personaly I dont think I can, and the government is trying and I am afraid they are getting to powerful to stop. Like you Im against the ACLU on being intrussive on the Christian values. I try to cover as much ground as I can. Folks are human and they get hurt and I've seen lot's of vulger stuff here and for less reasons than what we are discussing. I cant be around this. That's why I want to do my best to speak on this. What you brought up I took seriously so thats why I wanted to write.

How an individual reacts to message musical or not, is a personal choice.

It's not governed by satan or God.
But by the individuals free will.

I never bought into that psychobable BS about how music or violent games cause people to do this or that.
Sexual immorality ( by what ever standard one might judge ) suicide ETC are acts of the individual.
The message or the mode of delivery is irrelevant and bears no responsibility IMO.
Only the actor is responsible for action.

I've always liked the power of " rock music " and I choose to "rock" with a positive message because it is as I wish.

If anyone be " moved " by the message it would be the work of the Spirit.
Not of my hand, nor of my music.

I want to have forums to forward stuff, but this article will address a few issues here. I posted this (cubase Forum) after I posted Christian Rock yea or ney There’s a vulgar threat in the 2nd reply and I underlined and emphasized his statement about God. I got an issue down the road that is coming, Decline of America this will take some time. I want to do the best job I can. You’ll see below. Glen J is the very first one who comments.
Glen J
Pretty controversial forum photo you you picked.
I hope you weren't talking about my country.
A picture is worth a thousand words, or one or two bad songs.

Me
This post is about cubase. I did not post this to fight.

Glen J
Then Take Down a Picture That is obviously advocating the overthrow of my government you dumb TWIT!
Obviously you make friends everywhere you fart.
YOU ARE KIDDING ME!
Cubase4 is a great program.
Who the phuck programmed you. YOU ALL COME BACK NOW

Me
Hey, Just shove it. and your interpretation of you nation. And your damm government. Eagles soar but but you scums slide in the excrament on your bellies. I did not call you names. You called me a twit. Is that american or god like. I did not start this. You dont know where the photo was taken or what country, I dont think you care. You just want to start somthing. You went out of your way to do this. LIke an outlaw I dont forgive you . Becouse of you I hate your gods guts. Shove it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glen J
Why don't you just go back to Liverpool, buddy, and learn how to type!
Your subversive kind is not wanted in our country. We kicked the king out a long, long, time ago.
If you want to come back and pretend you are a part of America, Don't put up crap like that photo.
Yes we have freedom of speech, We also have the war powers act, that expressly forbids advocacy of the overthrow of the government by anyone from Liverpool.
TWIT, I apologize, You are an outright mutha Phucking enemy of MY COUNTRY. Get the flock out of here.
Your music sucks, your attitude sucks, you are just a general menace to society. TAKE THAT PICTURE DOWN BECAUSE I'M BEING GENTLE RIGHT NOW. And I type.
Maybe nobody else caught that... first post of yours I've seen. Who the hell do you think you are? Oh and what do you know about God? I guess you learned how to use toilet tissue, and that made you a real man from Liverpool.

Glen J 2nd reply
C'mon boy, you got my email, you want my phone and address. I'll even send a plane ticket, coach, you little treasonous twit.

now u just funy.
I retract my apology. All, except the part about your music it's interesting and I can see the value.

As far as you, you are starting to sound like someone crying for help and trying to win popularity from mommy. Sorry I got 15 years on you and I still like to fight and phluck. (Doc says its high T levels. to much red meat)

You went out of your way to post what is basically a SWASTIKA. At this time their is no reason to call for the overthrow of My government. By the way under the 4th 6th and 2nd amendments this is a protected right.

BUT NOT TILL SOMEONE STARTS KILLING OUR WOMEN AND BABIES.

You are one confused individual, and I hope you find some help.

Now u just funy , thanks for the entertainment. Now let me go copy and paste to follow you around.
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LOOSE WOMEN TIGHTENED HERE! Hey lighten up, it's only rock and roll.
BAHAHAHA!!! TWIT.

Crunch

I like your selection - although I prefer Strat, Samurai and Glock!

Talbot

'Preciate the kudos, but this is more than just a selection, it is my way of life and posibly my means of protecting me and mine. First, the Strat, yes, an excellent guitar. I had one, had fun with it for about 5 years. It was my second guitar and maybe not quite what I was used to. When I was forced to sell it to gain custody of my first son, it was also the only thing I could sell after my 3rd apartment fire (which also lead to my break up with his mother, the arsonist. Glocks are also nice, but the 1911 Browning was my first impression, but, this Taurus is light and sturdy, has what I like about the '11/45 except three improvements- it's lighter, it's a 9mm, and it holds 17 rounds. The sword was earned, it's a Marine NCO sword I rate. Katana's are sweet, but a real one I not only don't rate, but can't afford.