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#87163 by gbheil
Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:50 pm
LOL

My opinion of all flu vaccines is it's just "sales".
You know, like on TV "ASK YOUR DOCTOR ABOUT......."
Infuenze, like all virus mutate easly. It may or may not respond to your innoculation. My biggest question to other medical professionals is why do you have to take a shot every year? Mutation and a miriad of strains is the answer. I will not take flu shots.
Funny, I have heard that the employees of the main and satalite hospitals of the system I work for have had their vaccination, yet there are none for the Rehab or my patients. Bet the CEO co**sucker got his first.
The big lie was somehow they would produce enough for "everyone".
When they qualify that by saying they will start with "high risk" people first, thats your first BS indicator.
Like the way the H1N1 program is being run?
Just wait for obummercare.
And bring your own shovel.

#87181 by fisherman bob
Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:39 pm
I don't believe in vaccines either. The pharmaceutical companies would like nothing more than making our very existence dependent on drugs. The BEST bet for us is to take NATURAL anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-viral herbs that help our own immune systems. That and eat nutritious foods and make sure you take the right amount of vitamins and minerals (most should come from a good diet). The vast majority of people who die from the flu have other health problems already. If you're relatively healthy you should have nothing to fear from getting it.

#87187 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:55 pm
Sans the question in NY is .... if you are a nurse and you dont get it you are fired. WTF????? All these nurses dont want this vaccine near them. I dont blame them, leave me TFOOFIT.

#87188 by ColorsFade
Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:55 pm
If you're a woman at risk for cervical cancer, you may reconsider...


I'll take any vaccine anyone wants to give me. Yes, virus can and do mutate, and you may still get the flu from a different strain. But if it saves me from a strain, I'm happy.

Vaccines are proven medicine. Think about where we'd be right now without them....

#87200 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:23 am
COLORS ,Shut up and do what what your good at ..... Play guitar. [Just funnin] :)

#87201 by Crip2Nite
Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:29 am
Never had a flu shot.... gotten the flu a few times.... so what....never anti-biotics... I let my body fight it.... What doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger...

#87214 by gbheil
Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:59 am
???? Whats cervical cancer got to do with it ????
You talking about HPV ?
The STD ?
Funny how they dont mention that fact in all those advertisements.
If you 13 year old daughter is screwing everbody in school HPV is the least of her worries.
You dont get HPV by shaking hands or from toilet seats. You get it though sexual activity.
Being promiscuous puts you at risk for a lot more than HPV, be you man or woman.
Avoid the behavior / avoid the disease, thats pretty simple math.
It dont work like that with respiratory viruses.
But I suppose you could just stop breathing. :lol:
Take the vaccinations if you like, you are at choice (if you can find some).
I wont. And I have no use for NY and their silly socalist laws.
I dont have to be a Nurse. And neither do they. Hell they dont even have to live in NY.
Come on down to Texas.
Viva La Republic LOL

#87216 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:05 am
Guess That says it ,,,, Amen ,,,, end of thread.....ggiywp pgiweiiggeywda gwhqj
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#87238 by ted_lord
Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:17 am
sanshouheil wrote:I wont. And I have no use for NY and their silly socalist laws.
I dont have to be a Nurse. And neither do they. Hell they dont even have to live in NY.
Come on down to Texas.
Viva La Republic LOL


y'know sans I'd love to move some place reasonable, but the damned socialists and socialites that I live around aren't doing sh*t for hiring right now so I can't get any money to get out of here, not that the g/f would want to leave the state anyways, but supposedly I have a license that says I have a field to work in hah, who needs a security guard in the suburbs? makes me happy to say the least.
and to top it all off my so called hippie rebel mom thinks I'm outta line for not wanting the vaccine (even though I have a year and a half old) and for not trusting the government (with either party at the helm) and being suspicious of all the secret groups and all the obvious evidence pointing to an occupied planet by a species other then us humans

#87242 by Hayden King
Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:26 am
they have a pill for everything for us and you only have to suffer through a half a dozen side effect, in order to feel better about the first thing... hell, who wouldn't go for that?

"all I need are my pills... and this, and that's it"

#87245 by CraigMaxim
Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:39 am
Ha ha

Hayden is that a reference to Steve Martin's "The Jerk"?

And I agree with you btw

"I need pills for this condition, and then I need pills to counteract what the first pills do to me, and maybe some pills to fix the side effects of that second set of pills."

There are people who are walking pharmacies these days. Taking maybe 20 to 30 pills every single day, all prescribed by a doctor. Starts off with a few pills, then it is more pills to counteract the first pills, and so on.

And, I could be wrong, but they seem to develop more issues and not improve.

And those new issues of course, means more pills are needed.

.

#87246 by Chippy
Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:16 am
Since just about stopping watching the "You're gunna die if you don't..... adverts". Which after all is almost completely impossible in America I am starting to feel better, (again).

Kinda odd really because people smile and talk where I am, they also WALK! (Imagine that?) I guess they don't watch it either? Or perhaps they are poor also and don't have a car for that small jaunty to the shops so they can sit back and watch those feel good adverts?

Either way my car being crocked is a lifesaver for a number of reasons, until I fix it! :wink:

#87248 by Kramerguy
Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:16 pm
this hits a bit close to home for me-

Vaccines being a "proven medicine"???

They finally removed the Thermisol after us parents of autistics made a national stink for many years, in spite of doctor and government and media ridicule, but consider that these also:

Aluminum Sulfate, Anti-Freeze, formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, etc.. the list goes on and on, and on.

My problem isn't the vaccines themselves, it's the extra flavor crystals they put in them.. check here for the full list:
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

NONE of those ingredients (like thermisol aka mercury) have been tested in any form other than real life... Never once did they do tests on the effects of thermisol on an infants developing brain - nor aluminium sulfate, anti-freeze, or any of the other stuff.. all they know, is that "X" dosage will kill a human, depending on weight, etc.. so anything under that dosage is labeled "SAFE"

why do you think birth defects like downs, autism, aspergers, and ADD ADHD ADDDHDHDHDDHD have become so common??

(edit: I should have kept downs out of it, as that's an actual birth defect whereas most other conditions I mention may be attributed to vaccines. I do think however that downs can still be attributed to mercury exposure in the womb, as our local environments are polluted to the hilt with mercury now)

...It's not just "genetic" and doctors weren't so retarded 100 years ago to not be able to tell the difference between mental retardation autism (they actually do claim ALL autism in the past was just mis-diagnosed ...).. it's actually impossible to believe when you really think about it.. we have writing in medical journals from 500+ years ago documenting specific symptoms.. and autism has VERY specific symptoms (even though they vary between autistics), yet no doctor prior to 1938 ever noticed the lack of eye contact, constant flapping arms when excited, or extreme attachment to spinning objects (3 major and common autism traits, to name a few)??

The DHHS has been in denial since they realized that they are not only at fault, but criminal in their cover-up and denials for years. They can't afford for the truth to come out, which is why they just deny deny deny.

The autism stats from a 2007 survey were finally release a few weeks ago: the official results name 1 in 91 (from 1 in 166 in 2001). The reason it took so long? The original survey was 1 in 61 .. they struggled for 2 years whittling the numbers for a better statistic.

#87249 by philbymon
Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:44 pm
I find it amusing when my in-laws come to town. They show up with two HUGE zip-lock baggies full of meds. They're around 70, now, & fully in the clutches of the currently evil American medical system. I have never asked what all they're taking, but I know they take BP meds & my father in law is diabetic (type II). The mother in law has had both knees replaced. They are staunch Rep's, &, imho, sheep to anything a conservative authority figure says, esp if he's a Dr.

Their daughter, my wife, is just as bad. She watched every med commercial on tv, was convinced she had "chronic depression" (which doesn't even exist, btw), & began taking a series of anti-depressants until they could "find the right one for her." I've told you about how well that went - she was on various pills for over 9 years, although "clinical depression" is something that lasts no more than a single year (something ELSE "they" don't tell you in their zeal to sell their meds, & the Dr's don't pay attention as long as the patient doesn't complain). This resulted in nearly 1/2 of my marriage to this "junky" being a living hell, the worst part of which being when she was weaned off the meds. Now, she takes BP meds, diabetes meds, hormones, DAMN - I just looked at her huge zip-lock pill baggy & I see 9 (yes, that's NINE, not a typo) different prescriptions that I suspect she takes on a daily basis. She is completely wrapped up in her health, or the lack thereof. Most of our conversations spin around her aches, pains, muscle twitches, the pain in her feet, & the like. She has no idea how to live or to enjoy life, as far as I can tell. I find myself pulling away further on a daily basis cuz it's so hard to listen to all the complaints & concerns, & I have no clue how to address this problem, other than kidnapping her & taking her away from all the tv's & doctors & other BS in he world & FORCING her to live. (I don't think that's a legal thing to do.)

Her Dr told me in her presence that she (the doc) is not responsible for side affects of any given med. I then asked her who was responsible for medicating my wife for 9 years for a condition that doesn't exist. She had no answer for that one. Of course, in her wisdom, my wife still sees the same doc, after that fiasco, & takes up to 9 frikken pills a day, & is still miserably unhealthy, to listen to her talk.

My mother died from leukemia at age 43. She had seen 4 doctors over 6 weeks until she got the correct diagnosis, & was nearly dead on her feet (quite literally, with a red cell count of TWO, which I am told is IMPOSSIBLE, but I was there when they said it, after the test) before it was discovered. The chemo killed her in 6 weeks.

My father died from COPD & the flu at the age of 59. At the time, I called his death a suicide. I still do. He lived on beer, cigs, & pizza for the last 8 or 10 years of his life. (It pisses me off that my son was stripped of his grandfather's wisdom, & I find it difficult to forgive him for his choices. Then again, seeing how he lived, perhaps it's better that Ian was spared such "wisdom," eh?)

I have never been in favor of seeing Dr's with any regularity. I go when I feel like I'm dying, & that's about it. I know that my BP fluctuates quite a bit, & that's prolly due to my smoking habits & genetics, & it has yet to make me ill in any way. I get bronchitis twice a year, again, from the smoking. I get pneumonia about every 4-5 years, over the last 15 years, but even that doesn't keep me down for too long. I have always had these damned ear aches about 2-3 times a year, & they are extremely painful when they occur, but no doc I have ever seen has been interested enough to fix the source of the problem, so I've given up on them. I figger I'll live until I don't anymore, but I will NOT be a slave to the American pharmaceutical companies.

The only fear I have about socialized medicine is that they will make such slavery mandatory. If & when that happens, I fully expect to be either jailed or heavily fined, or both, for non-compliance. F*ck 'em all & feed 'em beans, is my motto!

So, NO, I won't be getting the vaccine.

Sorry it took me so long to say so. :oops:

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