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#80724 by CraigMaxim
Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:15 pm
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"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas (1884-1968)
six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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America is under assault and will be attacked more strongly than witnessed on 9/11 very soon. Within the next few years.

Some of the reasons:

1) The current administration's pursuit of investigations for the purpose of prosecution, is demoralizing the CIA. There are reports that MANY experienced agents are looking for other work. Who can blame them? The activities they are engaged in, spying, interrogation of high level detainees, and so forth, are all clandestine activities. They now fear that following an administration's policies could result in prosecution of them, and clearly, primarily for political points of a new administration. This is UNPRECEDENTED! I have said before, that I don't think Obama is necessarily a bad person, just a naive one. After PROMISING CIA agents that his administration would not go after agents, who were pursuing activities, PREVIOUSLY SANCTIONED by the Justic Department, and at the behest of a previous administration, it has only taken a little pressure from the far left, for Obama to REVERSE COURSE and BREAK THIS PROMISE.

The CIA is demoralized! What does this mean? It means instead of AGRESSIVELY pursuing leads on terrorist plots, and using the means necessary to uncover information about them, they will NOW BACK OFF much more, for fear of politically based LEGAL REPRISALS. These men and women are SERVING THEIR COUNTRY and they DID NOT sign up for going to prison, for helping keep this country safe! They will now, be much less of a force for uncovering plots to attack our citizens. You can be sure, this means MANY will now slip through the cracks, which will DIRECTLY AFFECT YOUR FAMILY'S SAFETY in the very near future. I hope you, or your family doesn't live in a major city.


2) WIRETAPPING: This has ALWAYS been a Liberal issue. That wiretapping and software designed to pick up certain keywords, are an attack on our freedoms. These programs have been VERY SUCCESSFUL in uncovering maybe a dozen or more such plots by terrorists to make attacks on this country, and has resulted in their arrests, and in STOPPING the planned attacks. They will overturn some of these programs, and AGAIN... it will result in some, now slipping through the cracks, and being executed fully. Americans will be LESS SAFE, and not more safe!

3) ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: Democrats have been very vocal proponents, in recent times, of reducing our borders to being meaningless. Illegals have some kind of "RIGHT" to cross our borders and work in this country, and be entitled to driver's licenses and health care and all other taxpayer funded public services, whether they register or not, and whether they work or not. Illegals tend to vote for Democrats, perhaps this is part of the reason? Wait... Illegals can't vote! Sure they can, and do. Under aliases and false social security numbers, etc... Why should the politician care, if it gets him elected? But opening the borders more widely, or weakening their defenses, not pursuing technology that can help prevent many illegal border crossings, etc... THIS WILL RESULT in more terrorists and terroristic weapons, crossing the borders UNCHECKED! Just another hole in th dam, and this will be a BIG ONE!

4) Socialists and Communists in Obama's cabinet and various csars. These people are SYMPATHETIC to Communism and Socialism. Some were actually PROPONENTS and MEMBERS of the Socialist Party, and of rogue groups that were in effect TERRORISTIC, being responsible for bombings and murders. When people sympathetic to Socialism and Communism are running things on the highest levels, then rest assured, rather than being VIGILANT on the plots and plans of Communists to weaken our power and society, they will instead be COOPERATING with their agendas, and GIVING AWAY THE FARM, if not our most important technologies like the Strategic Defense Initiative. When you don't see someone or something as a THREAT, what do you think happens? How many children go missing because they did not perceive their attackers as threats? This applies on a national and global scale as well. You can no more trust the word of a hard core Communist, than you can the word of a child molestor. You have to have diplomatic relations, but VIGILANCE is required. You will not see this kind of vigilance coming from an administration with Communists in it's own ranks! America is LESS SAFE as a result.

5) Putin has turned the Russian economy around. They are knee deep in oil revenues now, with NO NATIONAL DEBT. This is why you see their military programs ramping up again, just as if we were right back in the midst of the Cold War. Now that money is no object, they are back to challenging us at sea with their submarines, and shadowing our fleet, and posing a risk once again. Their pride knows no bounds right now, and Putin is a national hero. He would be President right now AGAIN, were it not for imposed term limits there. So now, he just runs things as Prime Minister with his PUPPET as Presidential head for publlic consumption. Putin still pulls the strings, and he is a self-absorbed eveil narcissist, who despises that we seemed to have won the Cold War. This is not Gorbachev, this is Stalin. But before their recent oil wealth, they were suffering economically, and you can take it to the bank, that nuclear materials and even weapons, were sold to the highest bidder. Now, an ego-driven madman from Russia, can simply assist from the shadows, the terrorists that want to nuke one of our cities. And it will be blamed on the terrorists without any fingerprints from Russia, particularly when our Intelligence Agencies have been neutered and demoralized, and are not able to do their jobs effectively.


6) SOCIALISM: The current administration is putting us and our future generations in debt that is unprecedented. They are destroying the basis of our wealth and employment, the small business. Nationalized Banks. Nationalized Car Industry. Nationalized Health Care. And MUCH MORE is on the agenda! When you take away the REWARD for hard work, you take away the DESIRE to work hard. Not all people are self motivated, but MANY ARE, and these people are the entrepeneurs that DRIVE OUR ECONOMY and create MOST of our nation's jobs and job growth. This is being short-circuited as we speak. The consequences will not be fully obvious until 2010 and beyond, which is when most of these programs go into effect.



ROME BURNED and WAS ULTIMATELY DESTROYED as they lost the vigilance they once had, and turned into sex crazed gluttonous playboys, only concerned with pleasuring themselves. They weakened themselves INTERNALLY and were defeated from WITHIN long before they were defeated from WITHOUT. The weakening of themselves BY THEMSELVES is what opened the door to this.

WE ARE REPEATING THEIR MISTAKE!

In the blink of an eye, this once great nation can be utterly changed and even destroyed, becoming forever, a shell of what it once was!

We will either allow this.

OR FIGHT IT!!!

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Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:50 pm
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#80738 by Rev Mike
Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:07 pm
has anyone ever read Marxism? The problem with socialism is not the concept, the concept of socialism is equality among all, the problem with socialism is capitolist greed interferes. In socialism, there is no ruling party, all are equal, but that wont ever work, cause someone always wants to be in charge. If the practice could be exacted to the concept, then socialism would be better than anything. Everyone has everything. never gonna happen, but craig, there are a few things there a trip to the origin could tune up for you...i'm just sayin...you've got it pretty close to the vision given to me, and i have revealed a couple pieces of that on my blog today, but the time is yet to come for my writings from 2007 to become public. 2010 will see the beginning of the end, and 2012 will bring the day of reckoning...

#80740 by mistermikev
Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:34 pm
um, but um, obama is changing all that right?

one suggestion craig... spoon feed me... I can't take all these big bites.



let me rant on illegal immigration since I live on the frontline of that argument and have some personal insight on the matter.

the fact is that in AZ we have sheriff joe... and he does random traffic stops and if you look latino and don't have a birth certificate handy, even if you have a valid CA license - you are going to jail until you prove you are legal. I'm fairly liberal and don't like the idea of american citizens spending time in jail for not carrying documents I wouldn't carry around.

THEY COME HERE AND DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH:
neither did your and/or my forefathers. neither did the indians that lived here b4 us... HOW MANY OF YOU SPEAK ALGONQUIN?
Furthermore, how does this actually effect anyone? I live in AZ and haven't found this problematic at all.

ILLEGALS TOOK MY JOB:
If your job is so elemental that someone can come here with nothing, unable to speak the language, and take it from you: tuff sh*t moron. I don't want/need you in my country any more than them.
Do you know of anyone who has lost their job to an illegal? No one complains about illegal doctors immigrating here do they?

WE NEED TO REINFORCE THE BORDER!
I'm all for turrets, grenade launchers, etc. Cause if you actually made it impossible to come here illegally we could open the door for more 'legal' immigration. This would keep the criminal illegal element out while allowing more 'useful' immigrants to come here.

ILLEGALS COME HERE AND DON'T PAY TAXES:
couldn't be further from the truth. illegals come here, get a ss# from someone already here or dead so that they can pay taxes: and never collect their refund, never get social security, etc. Can't have it both ways: either they get an ss# and pay, or they don't vote(and I don't believe for a second that they vote in any significant number).

do you really thing illegals vote: I don't. those folks aren't taking chances on getting 'under the microscope' by voting. that's propaganda. absolute bull-pucky. I vote every 4 years and NEVER see latinos.

I absolutely detest the bigotry that must be envoked to get angry at folks who just want the sm things our forefathers wanted: a chance. Most of these people are hard working and decent folks: but one illegal comes and drives drunk and kills and goes back to mexico and it makes headline news... nevermind the thousands of hard working honest folks who just want the sm chance our immigrant ancestors did.

THE FEDS JUST TOLD SHERIFF JOE TO 'STOP ARRESTING ILLEGALS':
know why? lets see if I can shed some light on that...
ever wonder why everyone focuses on the immigrants coming here and not on the businesses hiring them? Start taking biz licenses for anyone who 'accidentally' hires an illegal and this problem will be solved overnight. lemme guess: the poor poor biz got fooled by fake papers? bullshit. Fake ss# or not: how come we treat drug problems 180 degrees differently? we don't really go after the 'users' but the 'pushers'... how come that sm logic doesn't apply to the illegal workforce?

#80741 by mistermikev
Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:36 pm
Rev Mike wrote:has anyone ever read Marxism? The problem with socialism is not the concept, the concept of socialism is equality among all, the problem with socialism is capitolist greed interferes. In socialism, there is no ruling party, all are equal, but that wont ever work, cause someone always wants to be in charge. If the practice could be exacted to the concept, then socialism would be better than anything. Everyone has everything. never gonna happen, but craig, there are a few things there a trip to the origin could tune up for you...i'm just sayin...you've got it pretty close to the vision given to me, and i have revealed a couple pieces of that on my blog today, but the time is yet to come for my writings from 2007 to become public. 2010 will see the beginning of the end, and 2012 will bring the day of reckoning...


I was about to say something similar: the idea that surplus wealth s/b divided among the workforce is a noble plan. Just like anthing else: it's the practice that falls short of the ideal.

#80742 by CraigMaxim
Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:54 pm
MikeV,

You and I agree on 80% probably of what you said. I have known more illegals personally and been friends and hung out with them, than most people on these boards. Hell, I married one. :-)

I know for a FACT that the overwhelming majority of illegals come here to work primarily, and they are good and decent people. I also agree that the lack of taxes from them is misinformed as well, since I knew that many of my friends would pay people for fake SS numbers, but that they could not claim anything on those numbers, because they would get letters from the IRS saying they had no record of these numbers. I've seen it first hand. I even called into a radio station host in Georgia ON-AIR and got through, and made this very same argument.

However,

9/11 has changed things dramatically, and made defense and scrutiny of the border A TOP PRIORITY.

Borders of a nation, are directly related to SOVEREIGNTY and lack of defense of those borders, is related to the LOSS OF IT.

Those who think this country is magically immune to collapse or becoming weakened to the point of being unrecognizeable, are unaware of history.

There are already Muslims taking over a city in Michigan and working to have laws changed to reflect their religion. There are cities where you will find more Spanish signs than English ones. Why is this of concern? Because language is one of main things which aids COHESION of a society. People wanting to be citizens, should be ASSIMILATED into our society. Not create a society within a society, which is disruptive and divisive.

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#80743 by Chippy
Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:58 pm
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#80745 by ratsass
Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:08 pm
CraigMaxim wrote:
Chippy wrote:I think Craig you are here for a reason and it nothing to do with notes.


Is this a criticism?

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I think it's a partial criticism in that this IS supposed to be a music forum and it keeps getting turned into everything but, and it's not just you Craig, but you have been a big part of it. The occasional post away from music is OK, but it seems to have gotten out of hand of late. I mean, I'm fairly new here, and enjoyed my first six or so months, but the past three have caused me to lose interest. It used to be about helping each other out with equipment or recording problems with a few personal problems thrown in for good luck. Now everybody is getting on their political soapbox and it's just no fun going through all of those to get to the occasional musical post. Aren't there separate political and religious etc. forums out there for this? If I wanted to debate politics, I'd look for a political forum to join and just have a field day with all those like minded individuals that are sure to be on there. Same with religion, medical, and all.
Sans telling people that he loves the Lord and plays for His glory does not call for a religious debate.
Neanderpaul doing his one man band thing, but belonging to a church that doesn't allow musical instruments does not call for a religious debate.
Kramerguy having CP trouble and getting screwed around with healthcare does not call for a political healthcare debate.
As a matter of fact, NOTHING on here calls for debate. Stating your opinion is one thing, but arguing it back and forth is a debate. If I ask for an opinion on a song, give it to me. I'll take it into consideration, but I won't argue with you why I think it's good if you say it sucks. That's debating and doesn't really belong here.
All around, I think Chippy and I and others on here, are just saying, "Keep a music forum about music."
No hard feelings here. Just kinda bummed about the direction this forum has gone. Maybe get the Mods to add more places for other topics.

#80747 by CraigMaxim
Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:44 pm
Rat,

I already said I would keep this discussion with Mike in THIS THREAD.

But I tell you what.

If a Forum with multiple categories and HUNDREDS of threads to choose from, can't find room for THIS ONE SINGLE THREAD to have a discussion involving an issue related to religion, I'll be happy to delete my membership, so you can successfully censor me personally.

Cause that's all that's really going on.

Let me know.

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#80748 by mistermikev
Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:48 pm
CraigMaxim wrote:MikeV,

You and I agree on 80% probably of what you said. I have known more illegals personally and been friends and hung out with them, than most people on these boards. Hell, I married one. :-)

I know for a FACT that the overwhelming majority of illegals come here to work primarily, and they are good and decent people. I also agree that the lack of taxes from them is misinformed as well, since I knew that many of my friends would pay people for fake SS numbers, but that they could not claim anything on those numbers, because they would get letters from the IRS saying they had no record of these numbers. I've seen it first hand. I even called into a radio station host in Georgia ON-AIR and got through, and made this very same argument.

However,

9/11 has changed things dramatically, and made defense and scrutiny of the border A TOP PRIORITY.

Borders of a nation, are directly related to SOVEREIGNTY and lack of defense of those borders, is related to the LOSS OF IT.

Those who think this country is magically immune to collapse or becoming weakened to the point of being unrecognizeable, are unaware of history.

There are already Muslims taking over a city in Michigan and working to have laws changed to reflect their religion. There are cities where you will find more Spanish signs than English ones. Why is this of concern? Because language is one of main things which aids COHESION of a society. People wanting to be citizens, should be ASSIMILATED into our society. Not create a society within a society, which is disruptive and divisive.

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Muslims in general are good people. Like any religion: it's the extremists that only read what suits their agenda that we need to worry about: christian or muslim.
It's really up to our govt to weed 'those' people out. Once they are here we have to accept them, and they have every right to vote and change things.
Furthermore, I'm a lot more concerned about those folks in utah than I am about muslims.

"Not create a society within a society, which is disruptive and divisive."
you mean like we did? what about the elite in this country? I don't speak their language. I can't be in their society.

"People wanting to be citizens, should be ASSIMILATED" I guess we'd better all learn algonquin then. Language has absolutely nothing to do with it. Hell I can't understand half the folks who speak english in this country. But that's ok by me.

#80749 by CraigMaxim
Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:10 pm
Oh gee,

I'm so beside myself right now, I mispoke.

I was referring to the "Reform Marijuana" Thread of course.

THIS THREAD HERE was a topic I started.

"Reforming Marijuana" is an appropriate thread, just not one involving the collapse of the country. "Going back to College" is appropriate. "The consciencious objecter is appropriate" - "George Carlin videos" putting religion down are ok too - In fact, I just went through 3 pages of threads, and guess what I found out? The majority of threads here ARE about Music, and many of those were started by me, and there are also OTHER discussions and topics going on too, by just about EVERYONE, and not always involving music directly.

For the most part, I have tried to help people on BOTH sides of the arguments they were having. Some of those were rather heated. Understanding comes from LISTENING and trying to UNDERSTAND all sides of an issue. I've also given, over THE LAST TWO YEARS OR MORE some VERY SOUND musical advice, including the business and legal side of it, as well as marketing aspects, and providing resources for struggling musicians.

I've tried to be helpful wherever and whenever I could.

Surely you could figure out which FEW topics ended up being primarily political and religious and STAY AWAY from them, if reading them offends your sensibilities or frightens you, couldn't you?

You are always welcome to stay with George Carlin as the "safe" and somehow "less offensive" option, than an actual INTELLIGENT, INFORMED and MEANINGFUL conversation, of the type I engage in.

Personally, I see yours and Chipsters criticism of my postings as not being applied equally or fairly.

Why would that be?

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#80750 by CraigMaxim
Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:19 pm
MikeV,

NO THEY DON'T HAVE EVERY RIGHT!!!

That is the POINT!

The point is NOT that they are Muslims.

I have warned and warned and warned the religious right, that this is a LOSING proposition. Fighting the 10 Commandments being taken down from courtrooms, etc...

NO ONE IS FREE, UNLESS WE ARE ALL FREE.

It is WRONG to support ANY religion through government intervention and laws, other than the EQUAL protection of their right to practice it.

GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT make allowances for religion, or what is happening will continue to happen, only surprise surprise, before long, it will not be favoring Christians all of a sudden, to the great dismay of the religious right.

When you put places to wash your feet in schools and courthouses, before long, you will be having them all remove their shoes, others eating mushrooms before court, and still more burning incense and sacrificing animals on the courthouse steps.

Where does it end?

THE ONLY PRACTICAL SOLUTION is to keep religion out of government domains, as much as possible, and if you want to save the country with God's help, do it the old fashioned way...

KNOCK ON A DOOR
FEED THE POOR
HELP A NEIGHBOR
PREACH ON THE STREET
INVITE A STRANGER TO CHURCH
ETC...


But let me restrain myself.

Logic is anathema here. We're only allowed shallow discussions or outright vitriol in the form of humor.

Learning could occur otherwise.

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#80751 by Chippy
Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:23 pm
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#80752 by CraigMaxim
Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:32 pm
Chippy wrote:
For there are a lot of words these days, not a lot (Frankly) about music.




Going back through 100 threads, 80% are musically related.

8 out of 10 threads are about music.

But these days no one's discussing music huh?

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