General Music Chat

J-Haley, the more you talk, the more I think we all should move back to Texas.
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Too many good folks in TX not to.

Thanks Capt. I am still waiting for the butt kicking I am gonna get from Philby though I think its gonna hurt.

The big problem with the situation we've gotten into is that there is no government or army that we can point to and say "that's the enemy". It's a small extremist faction of mobile religious fanatics who hate us and our way of life. The majority of Muslims are law-abiding, god-fearing people who want the same things we do - peace and prosperity. Perhaps if we didn't act like the world's police force the extremists might hate us less. I really don't care if people in Iraq or North Korea don't have the same rights as me; if they don't like it they should overthrow the regime like we did back in 1776.

Don't kid yourself Jimmy a large percentage of those so-called peaceful muslims celebrated on 9/11. I have never read the Koran and correct me if I am wrong but I have been told that it can be interpretated to say that muslims should kill all infidels (non believers) and my understanding of a Jihad is a Holy War. Funny how none of these so called peaceful Muslims are turning over Osama Binladen and his band of radical islams. If a Christian had committed the atrocity of 9/11 he would be handed over quick other christians wouldn't be hiding him.

There are around a billion Muslims in the world give or take. Do you really think that most of them hate the west (us)? Most rational people would say no. My guess is there are just as many Christian fanatics as there are Muslim. If I had my way I would abolish all organized religion.

Why would you do that Jimmy? Some people need hope and need to believe in a god to have it! I had the Pentecostal religion cramed down my throat as far back as I can remember and it left me with a very bitter taste for religion too. I agree, one hell of a lot of atrocities have been commited in the name of religion since the dawn of man and organized religion. So I will answer my own question as I make your point for you (not trying to put words in your mouth) but I have as all of you out there have recently been through a lot of problems (rubs eyes and sniffles) LOL. My wife and I felt that our family needed to go to church so we went last Sunday. To one that I had gone to a couple of years back when we were looking for a drummer and auditioned a drummer that played in this church. I must say I got a peaceful feeling when we walked in like it was a place I was supposed to be. Low and behold the sermon was about joy and hope something that all of us yern for at one point or another thru the trials and tribulations of the human experience. Thats what I call this thing called life the human experience because we all hope that there is more. Unfortunately we will not know untill the day comes when our time is over on this earth (we kick the bucket). As I get older and this life softens me up in more ways than one I will continue my search for the truth and I think religion will have more to do with that search in our future more than it has in our past. I for one am not expecting 72 virgins when I get to the other side good god who would want that LOL I had one once in my life and that was enough Like Walter says give me 72 slutty women who know what they are doing.

There's not a thing that you could do in church that you couldn't do in the forest, in a field or in your basement. When I look out at the universe I am in church. I don't need to believe that there is anything else after my life is over because I'm getting 110% out of mine. Most people can't deal with the truth so they believe in stories from the days when we didn't know any better. If it makes you feel better go for it.

No worries, JH. I think we can disagree like gentlemen, can't we?

I'm only saying that it's wrong & stupid to think that we can have things both ways - either go to war, & to hell with collateral damages, or get the hell out & free the ppl who have done no wrong that we can determine.

I used to believe in the USA, but when I see us doing things I consider wrong, I speak out about it. The more I see, the less I tend to agree with.

We are the invading force, time & again. We are the ones setting up dictatorships in other countries for our own gain, time & again, yet we later cry out for "democracy" when those dictatorships are overthrown. I'm sorry, but this flip-flipping is bound to confuse everyone. We declare war, but don't act like we are at war. As we're blowing up a country, we're sending building materials to rebuild it, even before the war is over.

Just what the hell IS our stance on anything? We seem to be the ultimate schizo country, as far as I can tell. Surely there's more to us than mere corporate profits, but for the life of me, I can't see what it is as we do these odd things.

We never seem to ever actually TRY to end things, to resolve anything that we get into. THAT's my biggest problem, I think. Viet Nam, Korea, Iraq, Iran...it all goes on endlessly with no resolution in sight. We don't even HAVE a goal in mind when we go to war anymore, do we? I don't see it.

And again & again it is the little guy that pays. He pays here in taxes & lost resources. He pays there with freedoms & resources. But nothing gets solved, & more lives are lost uselessly.

How long have we searched for Bin Laden? C'mon! Do you REALLY think he could be THAT hard to find? We're on the 3rd administration looking for him, & still he runs free. The Taliban still has the gall to try to run countries, with little or no checks. Who are we kidding?

I have no more patience for this system that can accomplish so little at the cost of so much. I want to see us actually accomplish something abroad or quit trying. Thus far, I have seen us accomplish nothing. Yeah, Hussein's dead. BFD. The problems are WORSE than they were before we got him killed. Why? Because we have become weak & directionless. A weak & directionless force has no business trying to run anything anywhere, no matter how powerful it's armed services may be.

We've become a joke in my mind...just a very bad joke.

Yes we can diagree like gentlemen I have a very high opinion and respect for you Philby I just don't agree that the U.S. are the bad guys. At least we are trying to do something. We didn't attack Iraq untill after 9/11 and all kinds of sanctions from the u.n. were failing. I don't believe our government didn't know there weren't any WMD's there because GW was made to look like a buffoon when none were found.

Well...thus far, 25 ppl have been determined to be not guilty of being terrorists, yet they were held in Gitmo. They've been freed. They had no recourse, no one to help them, while they were held. That still doesn't sound very "Amarican" to me, esp when you consider that they have not been paid for their maltreatment at our hands. There is no justice here, & justice should always be the end goal for a good country & its citizenry.

I'm ashamed to be associated with it, even if it's only geographically.

We've spent 39 billion thus far on that mess. And it's still no better. Cut our losses and GET OUT NOW!! http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21636805/detail.html

There's not a thing that you could do in church that you couldn't do in the forest, in a field or in your basement. When I look out at the universe I am in church. I don't need to believe that there is anything else after my life is over because I'm getting 110% out of mine. Most people can't deal with the truth so they believe in stories from the days when we didn't know any better. If it makes you feel better go for it.

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I am closer to God in nature, I almost agree here, except that it is important for the cells of the body to communicate. That is the one thing I can do in a "Church" that I cannot outside of one. Commune, support and be supported by my brothers and sisters in Christ.

As for the rest of it, well Jimmy you know whence I stand on that subject.
Dont be offended if I pray a little or you while I do so for myself.

Oh, & JH - I also respect you & your opinion on it all, even when I disagree. I think you're a fine example for any of us.

I can also understand your opinion, even while I disagree with it.

I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, either. In fact, I wish someone could say something to help me to believe in this country again. I don't like feeling the way I do, but from what I see, I can only react one way.

Neither am I saying that we are the bad guy. I AM saying that we are ineffective, that every action we take seems to resolve no issues. We flip-flop around way too much, & yeah, there have been a few times in our recent history that we were the bad guys - in Iran, in Panama...but the worst of all is the way that we spend so much in life & limb & cold hard cash for zero gain, as we have in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghaniztan, & Korea. I want some sort of victory, but I'm not seeing it, in spite of the efforts of our troops. It's been a hell of a waste of time, money, & lives.

I can also understand your opinion, even while I disagree with it.

I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, either. In fact, I wish someone could say something to help me to believe in this country again. I don't like feeling the way I do, but from what I see, I can only react one way.

Amen, you said a mouthful.