General Music Chat

Mr. Mike I love how you assume that I am not edumacated I work with Dr. with PHD all day long. That Means you are right in your mind right, because you are educated and you assume we are not makes you better huh! I heard that sh!t all my life from my dear ole pops 12 years of college from the university I now work at LOL! so it doesn't bother me. You ever here the term nutty proffesor, there is some truth to that cause I work with them all day long. I think that you liberals are the ones taking our rights away. Anyway just because we don't agree politically doesn't mean we have to be enemies. I think your music and pedals are pretty cool especially the Mesa Boogie one. I would consider even purchasing one of those from you but you would prolly sell me the one with toe jam on it right! just kidding.

no haley, I was pointing out that the term 'uneducated' by itself has no negative connotations but when you put it in a context that is negative it makes ppul upset (ie u)... similarly, liberal has no negative connotations by itself but when you put it in a negative context (ie "you liberals this or that") people don't like it.

Was only trying to point out how you are coming across by coming back at you in the sm vein. Hopefully that was apparent to folks reading it cause I would hate to think folks misunderstood it like you did. If I didn't think you had any intelligence I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to convince you - I do care, and I do think u r worth arguing with.

Again, my prev post was trying to point out that like poor people, brown people have the right to not be profiled. Pulling ppul over just because they are brown or poor is wrong. You said "how are we supposed to catch them - let them turn themselves in?" I would pose this question: how do we catch bank robbers? just go stopping everyone until we get the robber?

They can road block me all they want.

Bullsh*t!!!

That's like Gestapo sh*t. You wanna park the police car on a road side and pull people over because they are swerving, fine. But you don't shut down an entire road, to pull nazi sh*t on the public.

High choloesterol foods kill many times more people than drunk drivers do. Shall we make butter illegal? Should they check your table at dinner, since it is in the interest of your health and safety?

Perhaps it's BS to you Craig. But that is exactly the way I feel about it.
So again I say, road block away boys and if they blow > legal limit gag em and bag em. No one ever endangered me by eating butter. I and my wife put in many thousands of hours on the road to earn a living.
And I am sick of my family and I being endangered by selfish assholes.
Tag n bag em. I dont freakin care one bit.
It's all degrees. It may get there one day. Flavored cigarettes are now illegal. What next?


As to drunk driving... I've always believed that a $20 cab ride is a hell of alot cheaper than a $2500 DUI, so I have NEVER had a DUI. But you don't inconvenience EVERY passenger on the entire road, merely to increase revenues, and get more federal dollars, which is what they are really doing, as far as I'm concerned.

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What the hell? My response is gone?
Oh well, I am not going to type all that again.

No one ever endagered my life by eating butter:
Operating a motor vehicle is a privalige not a right.
Road block away boys. And if there drunk, tag em and bag em. I dont care one bit.

Mr. Mike it sounds like we are both so strong headed about proving our points that we are not really listening to what the other is saying. It is like we are speaking a different language incapable of seeing each others point of veiw because we come from two completely different worlds. If you had walked in my shoes brother beleive me when I tell you, you would have a completely different point of veiw. Someday you will see the light brother I just hope its not to late for this country. I am a product of the inviroment you know nothing about. I however was somewhat more liberal than I am now. Just a little more experienced from rubbing elbows and sweating over a hard days work. No I haven't been to college. I work at one and as I said before I am damn proud of who I am.

Mr. Mike it sounds like we are both so strong headed about proving our points that we are not really listening to what the other is saying. It is like we are speaking a different language incapable of seeing each others point of veiw because we come from two completely different worlds. If you had walked in my shoes brother beleive me when I tell you, you would have a completely different point of veiw. Someday you will see the light brother I just hope its not to late for this country. I am a product of the inviroment you know nothing about. I however was somewhat more liberal than I am now. Just a little more experienced from rubbing elbows and sweating over a hard days work. No I haven't been to college. I work at one and as I said before I am damn proud of who I am.

no haley, it's debate. you make a point, I make a counterpoint. Hopefully we influence each other along the way. It's silly to hope that I completely concede your side or you completely concede mine. I may disagree with you but it doesn't mean I don't like you, or haven't enjoyed our conversation.


if you walked in MY shoes you'd likely see MY point. That's not possible so make your point and if it's a good argument it may make me reconsider mine.

maybe you will see the light too... and realize your irrational fears might someday cost us all our freedom. run to the light carol ann.

how, btw, do you figure you are 'more experienced from rubbing elbows and sweating over a hard days work'. what would you base that on? I've met plenty of all kinds of folks from all kinds of cultures and backgrounds and I've seen that there are all types of bad folks, be it white, brown, yellow, black or red.

I don't think any experience would justify the demonization of an entire race... and let me tell you - I come from a background that probably should have made me a racist.

I don't see what being proud of who you are has to do with the price of beans but congratulations on that either way. AFA I know you have no reason not to be proud.

George,

I totally understand where you are coming from, but I think it is using a shotgun to kill a fly. I doubt that it does much good, and it is not worth the intrusion of personal liberty. Road checking people is not any different than pulling people over to check them out. But in this case, there is a presumption of guilt, rather than innocence. This is antithetical to the principles the country was founded upon. You cannot prusume the public guilty until proven innocent, and even then, presume guilty WITHOUT any just cause.

This is a slippery slope my friend, and the very kind of thing that leads to worse infringements of our liberties and a deterioration of the values of our constitution.

But I totally understand your concerns.

I just think the price is too high, and this, for a questionable payoff.

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I just love the way that the Supreme Court justified the use of road blocks in the 1st place, sans.

They decided that to pull ppl over randomly was unconstitutional, but to pull EVERYONE over (to violate EVERYONE's rights equally) was okay. How is that better? Well, for one thing, pulling ppl over randomly left us all open to profiling, & targeting one group of ppl over another is just plain wrong, isn't it? I mean, that would violate the 4th Ammendment, at the very least, which protects us individually against "unreasonable search & seizure," since they also frequently have those drug-sniffing dogs on site at the road block, cuz we might as well kill two birds with one stone...Of course, it could be construed that these actions also violate the 5th Amendment, which guarantee that we shall not "be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law." But of course! I get it now! "Due process" was done when they decided to stop us all in the 1st place, right?

But let's face it - stopping me on the road for anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes is hardly deprivation of my liberty, is it? and having animals with great senses walking around my car sniffing for illegal substances as I wait for my freedom is hardly unlawful search, is it? Of course, now they are more open about it all. They ask you to get out of the car & empty your pockets, if you're in a certain age or racial group. They even often give us choices! How nice of them! "You can let me search your car, or you can wait 20-30 minutes until we can get a dog out here to sniff it."

And even if you are obviously innocent of the charges levied against you, as was the case for my DUI, they'll just hold them over your head anyway, & demand that you accept other equally unfair ones so that the arresting offecer doesn't look like he made a mistake. We wouldn't want that, now would we?

No, we have stepped over into territory that our founding fathers revolted against, but to speak out against it makes us "un-American," or at the very least, unpatriotic or uncaring about our very serious issues with drunk driving & drugs. "Think of the children," is their best defense for their illegal, unconstitutional actions, &, like sheep, we buy into that argument again & again as they continue to erode away our very rights to move about freely in our own country.

Now we have more concerns - illegal aliens & terrorists. Oh my! We REALLY need to check everyone out even more closely than before, don't we? The terrorist alert indicators have never been lower than "orange!"

Do the right thing, sans! Give up ALL your rights so that we can be safe! WE MUST BE SAFE AT ANY COST!

How many more rights are you actually wiling to give up to them? Your guns? Wiretapping? Guess what - those two have already been erased in certain areas of our country at various times, for various reasons. How about "eminent domain?" Yep, that's been used in the north east to steal property from ppl so that a MALL can be built for the public good, cuz there are no other jobs available in the area, thanks to the mismanagement of the area & unfair taxation on businesses & the shipping off of our jobs overseas. It's about to be used here in WV for that ridiculous PATH plan. Hey! Let's make it illegal to drive on the road by yourself, cuz there's an emergy crisis! (They're actually working on that one, believe it or not. Yep, it's been proposed several times in lots of areas of the country.)

Once you start to erase the rights of the ppl, t becomes a very popular trend, & it snowballs until you are left as slaves to the state.

And think about this - who really owns the state, these days?

lot of good points folks. thanks for contributions from both side.

afa road blocks... I can't help but propose this analogy:
when a bank robber robs a bank do we go stopping everyone until we happen upon the robber? no. we insist that the police follow the trail of evidence and catch them based on police work.

I guess I don't have too much of a problem with a road block in general, it doesn't really inconvenience me a whole lot, but allowing it really is just the next step to allowing them to come and search homes at random.

we've already heard a story of how the police 'railroaded' someone when they found that he wasn't breaking the law... still found a way to charge him.

put these things together and you've really got an unchecked system.