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#28672 by Dajax
Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:37 pm
If you listen to my sound samples you can hear that I'm mainly a guitarist who dabbles in keys just enough to lay down basic rhythm parts (I'm thinking Neil Young, or Paul McCartney level piano), but I could sure use some suggestions from you real keyboard players as far as adding maybe 2 or three vintage/kitschy/retro keyboards to the home studio set up. I'm thinking along the lines of let's say for strings, an Elka Rhapsody. But what other 60s or 70s keyboards are out there be it combo organs, or lesser known electric pianos (do I recall an RMI electric piano?) that I could go searching for?
Thanks for any suggestions
Dave.

#28681 by philbymon
Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:51 pm
I'd avoid the older KORGs...they weren't exactly user friendly

I made the mistake of buying a KORG DSS-1 when they 1st came out, back in '87...the book for it was translated from Japanese by someone who musta just used a Jap/Eng dictionary & knew nothing of the english language...it was useless

I had to find an outfit in CA to send me a new book to teach me how to use the thing that was even bigger than the instruction manual that came with it, & it cost me an extra $35. I've never forgioven them for that.

What a nightmare! I did have fun with it, eventually.

I've heard they've gotten better at things like that, overall.

#28682 by Dajax
Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:16 pm
philbymon wrote:I'd avoid the older KORGs...they weren't exactly user friendly

I made the mistake of buying a KORG DSS-1 when they 1st came out, back in '87...the book for it was translated from Japanese by someone who musta just used a Jap/Eng dictionary & knew nothing of the english language...it was useless

I had to find an outfit in CA to send me a new book to teach me how to use the thing that was even bigger than the instruction manual that came with it, & it cost me an extra $35. I've never forgioven them for that.

What a nightmare! I did have fun with it, eventually.

I've heard they've gotten better at things like that, overall.

Ah yes, user friendly...it's a good thing. I remember back in the early-mid 70s when I was working at a music store for my first job, we had a Mini Moog, and an ARP Odyssey. The Moog I could get any sound it was capable of out of it with a bit of dial twirling, the Arp...fuggetaboutit! It was only thru luck that I would even get an audible sound out of it

#28722 by Paleopete
Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:50 am
Well, Howlin hasn't chimed in yet, no telling what he'll come up with, since he actually plays the things, but I like my late 70's Wurlitzer Electronic Piano pretty well. Got to set it up a couple of weeks ago and tinker with it a bit, sounds pretty good.

The Fender Rhodes was probably the Caddilac of electric pianos, but have fun finding...or affording one.

Hmmm...a bit of looking and it looks like the Wurlitzer might not be exactly cheap these days either...

One on eBay

Mine doesn't have the foot pedal, I have the legs but they're screwed up, somebody tried to weld the bolts back on and it didn't work well, should have been brazed anyway. I use a new keyboard stand, works fine.

Here's the main search page too, a couple listed. One's only $50 right now, but I'm sure that will go up...

eBay Search

#28737 by HowlinJ
Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:54 pm
Dax,
I, like yourself and many of us on the forum, love "vintage" equipment.

That creative and excellent music can still be wrung out of the old synths is in evidence by , for example, listening to what Irminsul as accomplished with his classic keys.

I have had first hand experience , myself, with "state of the art, turned obsolete" keyboards, from ...
Tube and tone wheel organs, (early 60's);
Combo organs, (Farfisa, mid 60's to early 80's),
Clavinet, (late 60's to mid 80's)
Analog synthesizer (PIEA, 70's)
Early digital synthesizers (two Korg DW-6000's, MIDI'ed together , 80's)
Advanced wave memory, compact, combination "work station" (composition, recording mode), live performance, synthesizer (Yamaha SY-55,90 to present)
Vector dynamic live performance synthesizer (Yamaha SY-35, later 90's to present)
That's pretty much my "professional keyboard history")

Now, to the business at hand.....

Any "non keyboardist", who is interested in composing, and, or, recording music, would benefit immensely from the acquisition of a quality "workstation" type keyboard, in my opinion.

If Money is an issue, I personally endorse the good old Yamaha SY-55. As I stated many times before, its an excellent sounding (AWM-2 tone generation still holds up!), versatile music production studio, AND it fits in a Gibson guitar case!
It is also a great live performance keyboard. As far as sound quality, I was in the market for a Korg Wavestation back in 1990. after many trips to a variety of music stores , my wife Cin and I settled on the Yamaha, based primarily on the SOUNDS that it can produce, or reproduce, whatever the case may be.
The 55 features an extensive programmable filter and envelope shaping generator ,and it incorporates pure synth tones, as well as natural instrument samples, so you can create your own sounds.
It has an excellent sequencer so you can compose and (to a limited extent), store a very long composition. (It all can the be transferred to computer)
Some of its excellent natural instrument sounds include full string orchestra, horn section, individual violin, sax, flute, harp, 12 string guitar, etc.
We are people of limited wealth, and any expenditure over a thousand dollars, has always had to be considered carefully. These little unsung gems of still fully functional early 90's synthesizer technology can now be had for little over $200 on eBay. Mine is in "next to dust" condition, and, besides a long learning curve in its use, I also had to learn maintenance and repair , to keep it playing year after year. I'm considering picking up a few more on E-Bay for myself! :wink:

Check out what other people have to say before you "take the plunge". (There's a lot of new recording technology that I'm not familiar with that may be worth looking into.) I know that Craig Maxum is in the market for a new keyboard for composition, so maybe he, and others, may come up with some good ideas. I'd like to hear them myself.

Interesting topic,
Howlin'

#28858 by The KIDD
Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:12 pm
Hey Gang,

Thought Id weigh in here...Yeah , Howlins 55 is in the same class as my SQ1 Ensoniq only the SQ1 is 16 trk and 16bit ..My son edited the waves and got me 3 great B3 settings..Its got a good rhodes piano too..Perfect brass synth (ala JUMP) and great string ensembles.Great effects also..REAL sounding drums ..Fooled some on here. :lol: Synths of those days had a more real voltage (analog) sound to the samples than ones I hear today.
I almost bought a 55 but my buddy at the store was all about Ensoniq at the time...Yeah, Ive been able to edit and get alot of vintage sounds like the ole LFO..(Helicopter) Noise gates and flanging for jet planes etc.... :lol:
Yeah , even the combo organs (farfisa) are decent...Ive saw 2 SY55s and 1 SQ1 on EBAY...They didnt decribe them very well..I think the manual came with it though...Anyway, theres some cheap possibilitys...YEAH , the ole ARP AXE and ODDESY..Man, now I could spend HOURS back in the day foolin with those..Birds chirpin, ocean waves, jet planes, helicopters..ETC ETC... :lol:


John

#29467 by Starfish Scott
Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:52 pm
MmmmmMmmMmMmmmmm mellotrooooon.. lol (wipes drool)

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