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#28695 by night_singer_guitarist
Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:22 pm
Irminsul wrote:After seeing "you won't believe how freaking awesome I am", I definitely thought I was in for a treat. But here's what I heard instead:

Singing - Better than average, not great.

Guitar playing - First three chords I ever learned and I'm not even a guitarist anymore. C -.

Songwriting - Just awfull.

Video - While Warhol might have gotten a chuckle out of it, it looked contrived and pointless, having nothing to do with the song.

I would put the hubris on a shelf for awhile and work on your craft. Your self appraisal puts people off, and definitely sets up your performance for failure.


That's all very interesting, uh, (constructive? criticism would be helpful) the chords were simple for a reason...it needs to be fleshed out with other instruments. I play with other musicians alot and it's nice when they have some room for input. As for the songwriting, don't really know how to respond to that, I live alone was writen for a friend. She was a train hobo and really found it lonely to be the only women amongst many men, much like being a musician. But I can see that we all eventually immitate our oppressors...there is a better (albeit short) recording up on my page now. Hopefully I will get the opportunity to do more, but ... recording is not easy for me at the moment.

#28697 by Irminsul
Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:01 pm
I was surely giving you constructive criticism. I think with some time, practice and exploration you could really do something. If I stayed silent on how damaging your "I'm so f**k awesome" intro is to your public reception, how positive would that have been?

#28698 by philbymon
Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:22 pm
I'm a thigh man, myself...I was actually BORNED between a pair of thighs!

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Night singer lady...don't take this stuff too personally...it's all intended to help you...well, except for the convo about the boobs...but we've a lot of guys here that were bottle-fed as youngsters...or should have been, maybe.

Songwriting skills get better with time & practice...so keep writing. Lots of acts write in a simple style, Green Day being one of the best, & ppl don't gripe about it too much...work on strong melody lines, various song structures, remember that lyric content is something that is always gonna be a personal thing, but don't make the mistake of making the songs too personal for the average guy to understand the reason you're singing.

It's a fine line to walk between being too simple or too complicated...& recording qualities will always be a thorn in your side until you get into a pro studio, or learn that skill, too, from the ground up. Personally, I leave that to other ppl who know better...now arrangements & production, well, I'm gonna handle that myself, when the time comes, as much as I can.

I personally never explain the meaning of a song unless it's asked for...if they don't get it & don't ask, that's telling you something right there. Either they aren't interested enough by the piece, or it isn't thier thing, or it's possible you weren't clear enough either in your wording or your presentation. Again, don't take it personally. Try to figure out which it is.

As far as the "I'm so awesome" thing...t'was a bit silly. Take it down & move on. I note that on the one hand you are so very awesome, and on the other you don't know how to use your own equipment. Odd mix, that. If you present yourself as "awesome," it puts a bit of pressure on you to deliver, & I don't think you have, in this case.

Hone your skills. (We should have an award for the most improved artist in here, where we all vote on them.) Each time you write a song, try to record it as well as you can, & present it. Listen to the comments & take whatever you want to out of them.

That's the best part of this site, imo. The interaction between all the different types of music & musicians & singer/songsmiths.

As far as I can tell, your voice is good. Your guitar playing is good enough to accompany yourself, & that's about it. I thought there was some wierd stuff going on with the tempo at the beginning...it just felt awkward to me until you started to sing. Yeah...if you're gonna advertise yourself as a singer/songwriter, bring up the vox in your presentations, & present your best songs.

I must admit that I didn't look at the video, mostly cuz the song didn't really grab me in any way, & my time downloading stuff is so limited. Still, I didn't think it was esp a strong song...album filler, at best. My biggest complaint about it was that the melody was, well, lacking. It was like you were stuck in the chord pattern & couldn't quite figure out what to do with it. Just my worthless opinion. There are songs out there, far too many, imo, that fall into that category.

Anyway, good luck & welcome to the BM...(um...that's Band Mix, not the bowel movement thingie!)

#28711 by night_singer_guitarist
Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:39 am
Irminsul wrote:I was surely giving you constructive criticism. I think with some time, practice and exploration you could really do something. If I stayed silent on how damaging your "I'm so f**k awesome" intro is to your public reception, how positive would that have been?

just a quik word...how do you respond to stuff on here without having to include the whole excerpt...like the quote button? Some of your responses are really long and I would like to thank you but.... :oops:

#28712 by Irminsul
Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:50 am
Just hit quote and then highlight all the stuff you don't want respond to, and delete it. It's good form to add "snipped" at the begining and end of the part you are quoting so people know it was part of a longer post.
#28875 by guitargal
Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:39 am
Hey sister, us girls have to stick together in this many, many, many, male forum. You will catch on to these guys and once you do they kind of grow on you.
Hey guys, I'm back!!!! I took a little time off the forum. How are you all doing?????? Pretty good and in great form I see. Yeah !!!!!!

Comin' back at ya !!!
Guitargal :lol:

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