General Music Chat

Mike I listened to your music. You really should learn how to tune by ear.

Guitar is a tempered instrument. It must be set up and played as such. It constantly can change. It is fretted and there is no such thing as perfection. Just the same as a piano. When you play with "FIXED" instruments you have to be able to continuously be able to adjust.

TUNERS CAN'T DO THAT. And they most certainly won't be able to solve your personal problems.

I dis-agree, I like fretless bass sounds because of the junk that can almost sound out of tune.. listen to Taylor Dayne's bassist or Foreplay

Actually Mark, go listen to to some of your stuff... The only time you are really in tune is when you are on the metal board with mallets. It doesn't make me angry... but not understanding the full fundamentals of tuning should make you angry.

well, obviously your ear ain't all that you think it is.

as it happens....that vibraphone has SERIOUS intonation issues.

... but the wonderful ear you keep bragging about failed to recognize that. hmmmm.

so, you might wanna get your ears recalibrated. and if your ears failed to pick up on THAT... I can only imagine how out of tune your playing must be.

Actually have Vinny dig up the real reason why all the tempered system of tuning is just an adjustment of the mathematical reason why you can NOT perfectly tri sect a triangle. The actual pitch between 12 notes can not be perfectly divided when you start to match harmonic vibrations.

I'm not going to go into it, I'm sure Vinny can find a great explanation about tempered tuning.

Your Vibes were set to one system... It probably doesn't match the tuner you have. But... My ears will adjust my guit playing to compensate for a bunch metal blanks that can't be tuned.

YOU KNOW ALL THIS. Very funny.

I'm not going to go into it, I'm sure Vinny can find a great explanation about tempered tuning.

Here it is!
http://youtu.be/tDXIF8VwP18

Glen

I'm currently working on an Album length examination of the Zombie Apocalypse seen thru the eyes of various characters who are themselves a little off beat.

i should be posting some stuff in the next couple months and of course you may perhaps not like it but you will quickly see one thing: It ain't written for old farts!

Talbot

I'm not going to go into it, I'm sure Vinny can find a great explanation about tempered tuning.

Here it is!
http://youtu.be/tDXIF8VwP18

I just lost a whole spoonful of soup. My nose is burning, the screen is soaked, and I don't think I can fix it.

That's not what I meant Vinny.

I'm not going to go into it, I'm sure Vinny can find a great explanation about tempered tuning.

Here it is!
http://youtu.be/tDXIF8VwP18

I just lost a whole spoonful of soup. My nose is burning, the screen is soaked, and I don't think I can fix it.

That's not what I meant Vinny.

Sorry about that, I was just kidding around
Here it is!
http://youtu.be/teu3JKSs8Vo

Should be just fine, considering all partials are multiples 'of'.
They were just afraid of the number 13 so they claimed it was a twelve note system.

From a guitar hacks point of view, there are no issues if you get a neck with a compensated nut. But that mostly means Ernie Ball, and mostly means that you won't, because they cost more than the average hunk of wood.

That was supposed to be a Reply, but the forum is still messed up...

I like those Planet Waves strobe-like tuners. The ones with the strobe ring around the circular readout. Makes tuning very fast and precise,though I don't know what the technical precision of that brand is.

Like so:

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yeah, the PW tuners were #4 on the 'most recommended' list.
Boss
PolyTune
Pitchblack
PlanetWaves

accuracy is the key.

Remember the days when the band had to tune to the keyboard player? And if you didn't have a keyboardist (or a tuning fork), everyone just tuned to the first guy whose instrument was in tune?

The advantages (and need for) electronic tuners are:
Loud environment tuning.
Tuning multiple instruments separately (without the old 'Give me a D' method). Last night I tuned both my guitars - the Fender with the built-in Fishman system, and the Taylor with a clip-on Korg minituner. 3 hours later two guys showed up at the open mic and borrowed both guitars to play, and they were in tune with each other from the start.

Remember the days when the band had to tune to the keyboard player?

i remember them well.

and FENDER RHODES were the worst w their often dubious intonation. with a RHODES i'd always tuned to chords....and at that a chord played in several different inversions AND over a few octaves!

Fender Rohdes had sliding tuning tines. They would slip and change the tuning. Even temp change affected those things. Metheney used them, but they were well tuned... Just like a string piano.

What the average musician fails to understand is the harmonic vibrations change octave to octave. A "G" tempered at A440 gives of different overtones and harmonics than a "G" 3 octaves higher.

Now I have heard it over and over with some of the music you guys have shared. Guitars tuned to open E and A and G. Then you record. Then you don't realize how badly out of tune your guitars are... Even though you carefully tuned them. Most of the time it is the guitar not being properly tempered or "evened out"

Even Drums must be TUNED or they start to ad harmonic clutter. As much as Mark tries to slam me, he does have ears. I really doubt he counts on any tuner as much as he claims. Listen to some of the other good live players, here and playing professionally... They usually have a lot of help or aware of the limitations of guitars. All I've ever used is a tuning fork and I have memorized with in a few cents of what it should be. (A440) It works for me...

Just to show you a perfect example, something I won't go back and fix...
SPRING BREEZE was written as some little stupid lick I just started playing. I recorded the main track with old strings that had WEAR right in the area I played that. That changed the tuning. The performance was OK but the tuning was off ever so slightly. Even though I am not a bass player I was able to go back and temper it just enough to make it sound OK. When I brought in my drummer, we spent more time making the drums ring in a way,(tuning) than we did recording.

Tuners have a place... Just not in my guitar case.

I can't wait wait for all the negativity to come out of this non musical post.