General Music Chat

Chip the whole thing is flawed from the word go. I could spend all day playing my songs on my player and at the end of the day have hundreds of hits, but is that any real indication of songs played? Artists fan Artists just to add to their totals... Bollocks. I would guess these things are happening to raise rankings.
Not saying all people do this just that it's a flawed system. I don't get how someone could have tens of thousands upon thousands of their songs played and not get any attention from the industry. Who is listening to these songs and why isn't the band getting offers? Maybe some do... I don't know.
It would be interesting to hear from those that have garnered some real attention from reverbnation.

They did make some errors and probably needs some time to correct things. (Some active accounts were deleted from the comments.)

Not quite sure what anyone expects from these sites... they're a free place to post your music, direct people to it by the link, network with others. To me the real advantage is when you spend some money to get promo ads of your site.

Also not everyone is angry or upset about the changes.

The Gonzo Symphonic Presents: 6 days ago
I'll reiterate again: We have not bought any promotion or advertising from RN or anyone else, and we moved up in the chart significantly. It's clearly not just a ranking of what promotional services you've bought. If you've dropped, it's from something other than simply not spending money with RN.

This happened to me as well I went from around 120 to 60 overnight. They seem inconsistent in appearance without any explanation.I guess I don't really see all the fuss... what is really lost in all of this?

I have always suspected that bots on those sites are generating false numbers

RN is a mediocre vehicle to get your material "heard" by the "masses." It is a convenient way to get material on a website quickly, and you certainly can market yourself on it. But IMO there are other much better websites to market yourself on. Some of them you'll have to spend a few bucks to be on, but you get what you pay for. I like the idea of test marketing your material on Jango. If you're a metal band you can market yourself alongside famous metal acts. You'll know pretty quick how you can stack up to any artist.
If I ever put out a CD, and that's looking dubious at this point, I would market it on Jango immediately.

I'm very skeptical. I checked out the Jango site.. Here's what they do in a nutshell:
-- Post your music to said market niches.
--This, in turn tracks the listeners who are logged in or not logged in, and they add that to a counter.
- AT the end ofa given period, they summarize the count and they call that the collection of 'fans'. Note that the same listener can click the song 5 times and it will be counted as 5 fans.
They repeat this for every song you post.

Meanwhile, They probably take that list of 'fans' (not your songs) and sell those lists 'associated' marketers, who want the demographic and tastes data for products and services. This actually has nothing to do with promoting the artists.

So essentially,IMHO ...it just seems to me that they are making a shit-load of money off the vanity of inexperienced artists, who believe that a fan count 'qualifies' their work.

I dunno Bob...I could be way wrong about this...But, has anybody you know, actually made money from their Jango 'fans'. And I have to ask... Are there any celebrity names who succeeded by means of Jango?

Chip just keep doing what you're doing... musically that is. You've got some great sounds you've put together. Listening to Faith as I type this. One of my favorites on all of RN and you know there is some tough competition.

I have always suspected that bots on those sites are generating false numbers

I don't know about bots but you'd think if people have fanned you they listened to your music. Not always the case on RN.
Just manipulating the holes in the system... imo.
Nonetheless there are some really good people and such a variety of music... the good outweighs the neg. to me.

Sir that is very kind of you indeed, I am flattered..... really.
You're right, I do not know about other charts, but there are a heck load of famous bands and singers on mine here. It was the zip code attention that got to me. Before there was a huge chart which made the challenge worth it. Now I have just 4 within my radius, it's hardly worth a fight since they only show that when clicking your chart status, not the heavy chart.

I like challenges, this was one of course.
I rather doubt reverb or any web site for that matter, can bring any amount of fame, or contact with hubs, and I think the recent changes have caused a certain amount of incredibility frankly.

Here's what I do know. I had a system so I could keep track of who posted what, who played what, and I went around like usual listening to everyone else's music, some of which is truly great, and left my comments and so on.
Whatever stat they used, it made my ranking go up significantly, now doing exactly the same thing, and with only 4 in contention, I am going down

Again, I brought this topic up because I feel it is important, especially in this day and age where every penny counts. In sports we have a saying. "Moving the goalposts". It's good to know where they were in the first place, however if you don't and they are moved.......

Thank you again Jahva and others, Jahva, I'll drop by again soon, sure I'll carry on. I'm very excited about the new materials.

Be well all and in good faith.
Cheers,
Chipfryer

Chip just keep doing what you're doing... musically that is. You've got some great sounds you've put together. Listening to Faith as I type this. One of my favorites on all of RN and you know there is some tough competition.

I have found that if I listen to any tunes on someone's RN and like one/more, I will always comment. I would hope others do the same with me, but I know if I get 'fanned', I'll just fan back without listening if I'm busy at the time.

Anyone ever use TuneCore services? I think I asked here before. At $49 for an album, it seems like a reasonable cost to get your music on iTunes, Spotify, etc. I haven't checked CD Baby recently, but know ther fee is the same to get on iTunes, not sure what else they offer (other than also selling physical CDs that you send to them).
Tunecore also offers royalty collection/payment for $75 and that seems to be a 1-time fee for life?

Not saying that you still don't have to market yourself, too, but lots of folks use Spotify to listen to music these days.

Doesnt matter where you post your songs... There is currently, no audiences that are willing to 'pay' for music if its online and they believe they can get it free...

AGAIN: If you post your songs, and if audience in general dont PAY for downloadable music...which is made down loadable by the SITES that yo post your music to...then its pretty safe to say yer getting fkd, even if such sites are tossing a stingy-assed 'carrot'of promises. You aint getting rich or famous ...period...and There is really nothing you can do about it.

To prove that I am wrong about this...please point me to a successful celebrity musician, who's made a huge success out of this online methodology...and I'll STFU.

I'm not talking about 'making a living' selling music, but in giving friends/family/fans the opportunity to buy your music, and possible new fans the opportunity to hear your music.
I'm pretty sure that listeners cannot download from iTunes, or Spotify or similar places unless they pay. At Reverbnation, when you upload a song, you have the option to allow or not to allow downloads (and they charge for them -possibly only if you pay for premium service?)
Of course nothing prevents listeners from using software that will record anything being streamed off the internet.

Well to be completely honest, all MP3's are rubbish when compared to a decent wave file. I'm not doing this to sell online frankly, just get a word in here and there, where possible.
I cannot for the life of me think I'd ever plug an MP3 into a good system and expect to hear what I do from Vinyl, or from a GOOD CD.

Can you imagine a JukeBox playing MP3's and everyone liking the sound? I can't it's gaff, all sorts are missing from the mix. I'd rather hear a badly tuned band, sometimes playing duff notes and playing live than that.

Online - People get an idea of what you are about, but not the whole picture, it's simply impossible to hear the intonations, volumes, get an idea about who you really are unless you are live, and/or you have a GOOD solid non MP3 recording.

I found the NEW MYSPACE again today, nothing is there from my old work....... getting listeners. Just some songs. When that reaches Alfa, I guess I start all over again. No way that I see to export my hard work, nothing.

So I find myself asking ME, why I am doing this? The only answer I can give is that I love what I'm doing. From here on I guess I skip, dance and do whatever the bodies want from me.
In 6 Months Reverb will change their ideas again, MySpace will renew itself, other sites I've seen are trying to change stance too.

From what I see, the Equilibrium that somewhat existed is busted.
But that won't stop me from trying, as above.

In about 3 Months, my site will be back complete with Brains, and crawling Cerebral columns, with an eye on the World. At least that will be mine lol!

Be well all
Cheers.
Chipfryer

Very few musicians will deny that MP3 sound sucks compared to other formats.
Very few non-musicians will say that - they just don't hear the difference. You have to remember that they are mostly listening to music through earbuds or computer speakers, so the format doesn't matter.

I heard that Justin Beiber is trying to revive Myspace. Think I'll wait a while before jumping on that bandwagon again. Guess my old stuff is probably gone from there, too.

Why would it be gone Mike? In fact, I have MySpace sites that the associated e-mail address is long gone so I can't change or delete the tracks, yet they're all still there.

our old myspace site is still there

I haven't checked it in at least a year, I assume since the reformatted, everything would have been deleted. Now what the hell email and password did I use?

I've got a few new people on MySpace (New). There's no word on what will happen. I'm not really sad, frankly the people who I used to talk to are just as confused as I am I believe.

As regards reverb, things seem to be settling. Although, in what way, type or administrative concern, I am not totally sure