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Well, if thems the facts, neither of us have ever really voted for a President in our lifetimes.

You are a simpleton paperdog because of your foul language.
Who is the one party system? Here's your answer, sheep...
http://www.policymic.com/articles/16447 ... rty-system

OK, Neanderpaul, I'll stop cussing. I'm no longer a simpleton. Now, tell us the plan, that will stop 'you' from being a simpleton...

Nice Squawking that you do there for Ron Paul. I'm guessing you are perched on his left shoulder, except when it suits you to be perched on his right shoulder.

We don't need Ron Paul to understand the theory of one party system...He didn't invent that notion.

Regardless, go have another cracker.

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Well, if thems the facts, neither of us have ever really voted for a President in our lifetimes.

Setting aside all the vitriol in this topic...you have probably stated the most intelligent thing in this thread. Its true... We vote...and Nada. Might as well play craps.
And therein lies the heart /origin of how America has become a 'uniparty' system. Its the electoral college. It has to go!

There were a number of ideas brought forth for POTUS election that were all rejected by the Founders. The reason popular vote was rejected was simply that the largest states with the largest populations would control elections. The way they set it up with electors California has no more influence, or shouldn't on the final results, than Iowa. There was also the problem of "favorite son." Poor communications would just leave people voting in primaries and the general election for the man closest to their field of daily reference. of course, in the beginning there were no political parties. That changed by 1800.

Obviously communication advances have changed the world. But, corruption in politics is so wide spread removing the 12th amendment would only increase it, especially in states with major populations and major money making sure their candidate wins.

That is the general thinking.

I have a serious problem with the "winner-takes-all" aspect in the 48 states that use it.

There is no easy way to elect POTUS and stay clear of corruption practices. The electoral college was seen as the one most free of possible problems.

That is my understanding, anyway.

I really don't care for the libertarian platform, but I agree he's a great deal better than the two clowns they insist we choose from.

I still say Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson are the BEST candidates and both are on the ballot in roughly 45 states.

I'm tired of voting against candidates, This year I'm voting FOR someone.

You keep posting so many twisted responses,, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. A little CLEAR thinking here PLEASE.

It's quite the contrary. I don't believe there's any difference between the two choices we are being brainwashed into believing are our only choices. No matter which one wins, we will have again elected a member of the fascist party. You can vote for that, but f**k that sh*t, I REFUSE to play by their rules again.

Everyone bitches about real change and getting the hucksters out of their offices, yet the stupidity that follows is nothing short of amazing. People WONT vote for someone because they can't stand 'not winning'.

There's been several studies done on this psychological disaster we call 'voting choice'. People like choosing a side, with a winning chance, and vote based on "my team" and support that team based on nothing but their personal investment in WINNING. If everyone who went out to vote actually voted for the candidate that was the best choice, RP, Rocky, and Jill would have the most votes and Romney and Obama would lose every state.

The only way to beat that system of brainwashing is to vote 3rd party, and every election cycle will further gain momentum. It's been fact since 2004 that the green party has grown each and every election cycle. My vote this year isn't wasted. In fact, it's counting for FAR more than any vote towards the corporate party candidates.

Your accusations of me being 'part of the problem' are ignorant and rude. I don't call you names and have been very civil in these discussions, and expect the same back. I'm not going engage you if you can't discuss something calmly.

The only way to beat that system of brainwashing is to vote 3rd party, and every election cycle will further gain momentum. It's been fact since 2004 that the green party has grown each and every election cycle. My vote this year isn't wasted. In fact, it's counting for FAR more than any vote towards the corporate party candidates.

To Do this effectively, Americans need to ensure that heir candidates arent out spent (do that years before the next election).

All these whiners who say they will vote their conscience...Well where the f**k were they, when Ron Paul needed them (Before the runoffs) ?

Yeah, They get what they deserve, now...when its too late.

The only way to beat that system of brainwashing is to vote 3rd party, and every election cycle will further gain momentum. It's been fact since 2004 that the green party has grown each and every election cycle. My vote this year isn't wasted. In fact, it's counting for FAR more than any vote towards the corporate party candidates.

To Do this effectively, Americans need to ensure that heir candidates arent out spent (do that years before the next election).

All these whiners who say they will vote their conscience...Well where the f**k were they, when Ron Paul needed them (Before the runoffs) ?

Yeah, They get what they deserve, now...when its too late.

Not everyone think RP is an ideal candidate. I personally don't care for his libertarian beliefs, although I would still vote for him if Jill stein or Rocky Anderson wasn't on the ballot, as RP would then be the most qualified candidate IMO.

RP was pushed out by the 'big boys' and the media. This is where the independent media especially fails to inspire or properly report on the viable alternatives out there.

What really kills me is the Daily Show and Colbert Report- both shows while being considered "comedy" even by their own standards have pointed out the hypocrisy of both major parties better than any mainstream or independent media, yet neither will give any credence to the alternate parties, with exception to the tea party, only after the mainstream conservative media embraced them.

It seems that only THE PEOPLE are going to be able to change anything, we need to stop expecting one organization or another to do it for us and inspire us at the same time. Even "occupy" can't get that done with any level of success. Start local, go from there.

The only way to beat that system of brainwashing is to vote 3rd party, and every election cycle will further gain momentum. It's been fact since 2004 that the green party has grown each and every election cycle. My vote this year isn't wasted. In fact, it's counting for FAR more than any vote towards the corporate party candidates.

To Do this effectively, Americans need to ensure that heir candidates arent out spent (do that years before the next election).

All these whiners who say they will vote their conscience...Well where the f**k were they, when Ron Paul needed them (Before the runoffs) ?

Yeah, They get what they deserve, now...when its too late.

I was there.

An afterthought on this is that RP should have changed to the libertarian or green party years ago. Especially after being rudely shoved aside by his own. He's certainly going to get re-elected to congress by his district no matter what party he's running with. Having politicians who are sick of the BS from the main parties and switching to 3rd parties would be a huge and necessary step in moving forward with a viable alternative.

The only way to beat that system of brainwashing is to vote 3rd party, and every election cycle will further gain momentum. It's been fact since 2004 that the green party has grown each and every election cycle. My vote this year isn't wasted. In fact, it's counting for FAR more than any vote towards the corporate party candidates.

To Do this effectively, Americans need to ensure that heir candidates arent out spent (do that years before the next election).

All these whiners who say they will vote their conscience...Well where the f**k were they, when Ron Paul needed them (Before the runoffs) ?

Yeah, They get what they deserve, now...when its too late.

I have to totally disagree with this,
ron paul got loads of exposure,
I watched the primaries pretty closely
he was rejected by the republican party voters, and it was very evident why they were rejecting him.
because he was a radical and a majority knew it
more money would have made this more clear, with exactly the same result.

The only way to beat that system of brainwashing is to vote 3rd party, and every election cycle will further gain momentum. It's been fact since 2004 that the green party has grown each and every election cycle. My vote this year isn't wasted. In fact, it's counting for FAR more than any vote towards the corporate party candidates.

To Do this effectively, Americans need to ensure that heir candidates arent out spent (do that years before the next election).

All these whiners who say they will vote their conscience...Well where the f**k were they, when Ron Paul needed them (Before the runoffs) ?

Yeah, They get what they deserve, now...when its too late.

I was there.

So was I... Though I have voted for many NON-democrats, I actually gave money to a local staunch democrat, here in town, who was running as a judge. That's How much I believed in that dude to carry a torch of justice...

He got my money...He lost... End of story...

But! he might have won, IF... 20 thousand more MFs here in town had stopped posing as the 'In' crowd and actually boned up some money...

Fkn hippocrites , every one of em...!

all of this could be solved by public funding for candidates. aka election reform.