General Music Chat

Maybe this will help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXE ... tube_gdata

Gt yeah we have them in Jersey, of course we do, why are we just not wearing collars yet? Well yeah the drivers license chip is a lot less obvious.
http://www.examiner.com/a-1031230~D_C__DMV_to_build_SmarTrip_chips_into_driver_s_licenses.html?cid=temp-local-more
http://www.pcworld.com/article/122537/smart_id_cards_debated.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
EDITED: Correction I was mistaken, it’s not contactless, that’s the EDL, the Real ID ones require a reader. Although I still firmly believe this it is only a matter of time before where eventually a cop can cruise by you as you’re walking along the street and scan all your info. The technology is already available.

Sentient that is an excellent point. Crime free? Certainly not, but it has more to do with presence then it does punishment. In the Nazi scenario, brutality was an increase on the punishment side and of course they had great deal of presence, through manpower and intelligence. Making them extremely effective for keeping the peace. The question is do you think the Nazis minded brutality, if it furthered along their own popular sentiments? Our problem is aggression of any kind is absolutely intolerable, so every time it occurs further controls need to be put in place to prevent it, bloating an already crippled system. Since there is a necessary balance of punishment and presence for any law enforcement to work at all, in order to increase results, we will have to rely more and more on presence. Meaning it doesn’t matter what happens “if I get caught”, as long as I know for sure, “I’m going to get caught”.

For example, Hayden’s post about being to drunk to drive and being driven home. But that discretion has since been removed, since many areas require an offense to be filed anytime an officer pulls someone over. Which is a control measure, no doubt to “prevent” stuff like DUI fishing. Both the guy fishing for a DUI and the one nice enough to drive you home without reporting it, are rogues working outside the system. I would imagine the one fishing for DUIs would encounter a LOT less trouble, than the one driving you home would if they were found out, because of the popular sentiment towards drunk driving. But which one is actually trespassing against your civil rights? The officer doing his random DUI checks is stopping you without any reasonable suspicion at all. Once again that’s deemed ok, because it faults on the side of safety and a drunk driver is considered an outcast publicly held with the same esteem, as maybe child molesters and rapists.

Hey Sans so how about that public intoxication clause in your state? Does that still remain unchanged after those six cops abused it to bolster their arrest quotas?

As long as we're concentrating on crime prevention rather than crime solving, we are on the wrong road...the one that leads to dangerous over-control by our gov't.

You just can't explain that to the scaredy-cat soccer-mom, though.

Crime is directly connected to economics; the worse the economy the more crime.

Lalong I think that if we knew just how much more advanced the technology held by the government/military (same thing now) is we would be absolutely shocked!

We are living in a Nazi police state; the Bush's are documented Nazi supporters = Grandpa Bush helped finance the empowerment of Hitler as well as Mussolini.
1500 Nazi's (scientists/engineers/industry and political leaders were smuggled into the US after WW2 in Operation Paperclip. Many more went to Venezuela/Chili/Peru thus creating and controlling many international companies such as Siemens, IBM ect.
International Bankers run the world (through the UN/CFR/WWF/The World Bank/IMF)

So I usually refer to the police as Bootlickers (tell me they don't look like Nazi's with all o their paramilitary gear)

Sorry, Hayden, but I strongly disagree. Crime CAN increase due to economic stresses, & usually does, but it also exists in boom times.

Most crime is simply due to someone's feeling of entitlement - "I DESERVE this, even if I'm not willing to work for it!"

Envy, greed, these are the things that create most crime, not just tough times.

Even when I was a long hair dope smokin kid I had and showed respect for those whom enforce the law.
And never been shown anything but respect from them ... ever. Even when I was in the wrong.

Got arrested in Louisiana once. While in the back seat I took my hand out of the cuffs behind my back and back on in front because I was uncomfortable.
The cop when he got me out of the car realized what I'd done and it scared him a little. He spoke sharply to me then apologized when I explained it to him.
Once went into the cop shop and asked them to return my friends hash pipe they confiscated.
They did, and laughed about it.

I must live in a different universe.

Sans, not a different universe man, but a different time. It was like that back then, you didn’t imagine it, that’s how it was. You didn’t give crap to a cop because most of us knew better. Those who didn’t, did have the real possibility of getting their ass beat. If afterwards they complained about it with someone knowing the full story, the reply would have been: “Serves you right!” Now it would be: “Do you have a lawyer?”

I don’t know how I would have been if I were raised any different, but as a child if I screwed up badly, by the end of the evening there would have been some pain to reckon with. “Spare the rod, spoil the child”.
I know a couple, that when the dad tells their son if he keeps it up he’s liable to get a beating, the kid says outright to the guy’s face: “Go ahead and I’ll call the cops and child protective services will throw you in jail.” In my day if I came off like that towards my Father, forget child protective services, I’d have to call a dentist. You just knew better then to push it that far, because no matter however unlikely that outcome would be, it still remained a distinct possibility. Yes I’m sure child abuse occurred back then, just as I’m sure it still does. But it’s a big difference when a kid imagines he can do whatever he wants without consequences and the local municipality enforces it. Just like giving a cop crap for doing his job, there always was a very real chance if you pushed it to far, it could get ugly.

It didn’t make them all good, but it most certainly made them all more respected. There was never the uncertainty that the parents to a child, or the cops to a suspect, were holding all the cards. If either authority figure was bad, you were in for a world of hurt but there was never any doubt they were the authority.

Certainly the cop pushing the guy off the bike was wrong and requires reprimand. But the problem with enforcement isn’t with the cops. It’s with all the sissies crying their eyes out when they see the video, over the incredibly inhumane and unbelievable murderous brutality that cop showed, daring to be physically angry in public. It’s just too much for them to bear that there fragile bubble of civility could actually bursts when they step outside their padded cell and walk in the jungle of the real world. But if they were alone on the streets of Camden at two in the morning, those same fools would whore themselves in a heartbeat for the guys protection.

“And the meek shall inherit the earth.” Fine by me, they can have whatever is left of their mess.

I talk to anybody the same. whether it's a cop or a neighbor; talk to me like a man and I'll respond the same way... talk to me like a punk and I'll treat you like one, because you've made it obvious that you are!
A uniform and a badge doesn't make you better, it makes you a public servant, not a boss!

I respect any and all law abiding Constitution serving police officers and their difficult job.
A smartass lying bullying punk will get no respect from me!

One thing I have been trying to do is to understand that no one is perfect not even cops. I have been bullied by a few in the past but I also was bullied by regular folks. The one thing you should keep in mind is that cops are humans too. My 2cd oldest is in the process of getting a degree in law enforcement and soon will be a cop. One day when he was leaving the college a guy ran into the back of him. The guy said please don't call the cops I'll pay for the damage just get a estimate and let me know. That night the guy calls the police and say's my son backed into him and left the scene. My point to this story is a VERY LARGE percentage of the public are chicken SH!T and will try to WEASEL out of there responsibilities when it comes to something they have done wrong or a mistake. I told my son when you get out on the street as a Patrolman don't forget about that incident, but also don't EVER forget where you come from! Lets face it the world is not a fair place in fact there is nothing fair about LIFE! So don't expect it to be. I have alway's said that there is a VERY FINE LINE BETWEEN FEAR AND RESPECT!

I'm just too jaded for this thread. Like I said, I've just seen too much dirty sh*t.

have a nice day!