General Music Chat

Whomever took the disappearing glacier photos in mr Gores book forgot to put some of the islands back into the picture that were in the area photos.

You have to hand it to photo shop. It was used a lot on Al gores book also.

Photo shop has become the #1 tool of frauds for backing up their lying agendas.

My rebuttal to the "Global Warming is a Hoax" people:

http://www.extremeicesurvey.org/


Seeing is believing.

Fascinating! Make sure you guys watch the SECOND video there too!

I think the question for many skeptics, is not about warming itself, but whether it is man made, or a natural cycle. I don't have any problem believing that all the heat and smoke and pollution that nearly 7 BILLION people create, can and are, having adverse effects on nature.

What to do about it?

Taxes?

Won't change anything.

I am concerned about an even larger problem... not just the Earth warming, but survival of the species as a whole. Population growing exponentially, while resources are dwindling... the threat of thermonuclear warfare, triggered by terrorist actions, plagues and diseases, from an exanding population, who travels worldwide more quickly and frequently, than ever before.

I want to see the world, begin to recognize that humanity is LITERALLY and not just figuratively... a FAMILY, and that we have a SHARED interest in preserving our SPECIES. If a substantial percentage of the world's military budgets alone could be redirected, that could go toward relief for third world nations, improved agriculture to regions which don't have those resources currently, and especially.... space exploration, so that we could begin to prepare NOW, for populating other worlds a century or two from now.

We will reach a critical mass on ALL these things.... population... dwindling resources and harming nature before long, and it will result in a devestation to humanity itself, that will be unprecedented. Millions of years from now, they may be digging up OUR SPECIES, like dinosaurs before us, and trying to determine how we lived, and what wiped us out.

Frightening.

Humanity MUST evolve socially, or we WILL be a threatened species ourselves.

I am concerned about an even larger problem... not just the Earth warming, but survival of the species as a whole.

That's my concern too. It's a bigger issue than Global Warming, as you point out.


What's fascinating to me about the Ice Survey is that this is not something that is happening at just one glacier. They covered every major glacier for two years, and it's happening to every single one of them. They're receding and there is no question about it.

But like you say, how much can be attributed to man? I have a hard time believing we're not having an impact, with the billions and trillions of tons of pollution we pump into this planet which has a finite amount of space and atmosphere... We have to be having some affect.

My rebuttal to the "Global Warming is a Hoax" people:

http://www.extremeicesurvey.org/


Seeing is believing.

Fascinating! Make sure you guys watch the SECOND video there too!

I think the question for many skeptics, is not about warming itself, but whether it is man made, or a natural cycle. I don't have any problem believing that all the heat and smoke and pollution that nearly 7 BILLION people create, can and are, having adverse effects on nature.

What to do about it?

Taxes?

Won't change anything.

I am concerned about an even larger problem... not just the Earth warming, but survival of the species as a whole. Population growing exponentially, while resources are dwindling... the threat of thermonuclear warfare, triggered by terrorist actions, plagues and diseases, from an exanding population, who travels worldwide more quickly and frequently, than ever before.

I want to see the world, begin to recognize that humanity is LITERALLY and not just figuratively... a FAMILY, and that we have a SHARED interest in preserving our SPECIES. If a substantial percentage of the world's military budgets alone could be redirected, that could go toward relief for third world nations, improved agriculture to regions which don't have those resources currently, and especially.... space exploration, so that we could begin to prepare NOW, for populating other worlds a century or two from now.

We will reach a critical mass on ALL these things.... population... dwindling resources and harming nature before long, and it will result in a devestation to humanity itself, that will be unprecedented. Millions of years from now, they may be digging up OUR SPECIES, like dinosaurs before us, and trying to determine how we lived, and what wiped us out.

Frightening.

Humanity MUST evolve socially, or we WILL be a threatened species ourselves.

I agree, and that's our role as artists. Our job is to put ideas into society and to get people thinking. If people aren't thinking, and talking about things, then we'll never go anywhere as a species. This is my problem with conservatives. They want to keep many things the same because they are tradition, and they use a book to justify it. Now, don't think that I'm being biased here because liberal extremism is just as dangerous to progress as bible thumpers and american traditionalists, often exaggerating situations and crying prejudice when there is none. (which, as we've seen from Obama's motion to allow immigrants with AIDS to come in legally can potentially be a catalyst for stupid decisions based on an extreme interpretation of what prejudice is.)

I agree, and that's our role as artists. Our job is to put ideas into society and to get people thinking.

You raise a really, really interesting point (maybe the most interesting point I've seen raised on this boards in two years, so kudos to you man). This is worthy of a separate thread, but here goes:

What is our role as artists? Is it our responsibility to creates messages?

I tend to agree with you. We certainly have a role to play. I remember when I was a kid, a lot of people ripped bands I liked when those bands tried to write a song that had a message instead of just singing about sex, drugs and rock and roll.

But as artists, we have one of the absolute best mediums for getting a message out and getting people to think...

Maybe we do have a responsibility to put those messages out there. Not just an opportunity, but a responsibility...

It's certainly something to think about.

I would have to disagree. It is not a musicians responsibility to send a message. The musicians responsibility is to make music.

Just because you're a musician and you have the ability to write lyrics doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about.

But if you truly know the truth and the facts about the subject for which you're writing, and you feel the need to share this truth with the public, then yes, music is a great way to express it.

There is nothing I hate more than looking up the lyrics to a song I love and finding out that the message of the song is something completely wrong, stupid, and immoral. I feel like just saying "SHUT UP"...But of course, this is America, and everyone has freedom of speech.

A couple of years ago, I used to be a fan of System of a Down before I started getting into real metal. I found their music highly entertaining and even funny at times. But when I started looking up the lyrics and the message of their songs, I have to admit, it pissed me off.

System of a Down is a band of Armenian musicians. And these ARMENIANS are writing songs about AMERICAN POLITICS, for which they have no knowledge of. One of the lines that I laughed at the most was in their song "B.Y.O.B." It's a very liberal song that basically just followed the popular media theme of "F*CK BUSH, F*CK THE WAR"...

And a line they kept repeating was "WHY DON'T PRESIDENTS FIGHT THE WAR? WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR??"

The President fights the war by commanding his troops. Thus the title "COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF". If the President were to literally fight the war, he could die, then the country would be lost. And they don't SEND the poor...It's not a draft...They volunteer. :p

So basically, if you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you shouldn't say anything at all.

I would have to disagree. It is not a musicians responsibility to send a message. The musicians responsibility is to make music.

Just because you're a musician and you have the ability to write lyrics doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about.

But if you truly know the truth and the facts about the subject for which you're writing, and you feel the need to share this truth with the public, then yes, music is a great way to express it.

There is nothing I hate more than looking up the lyrics to a song I love and finding out that the message of the song is something completely wrong, stupid, and immoral. I feel like just saying "SHUT UP"...But of course, this is America, and everyone has freedom of speech.

A couple of years ago, I used to be a fan of System of a Down before I started getting into real metal. I found their music highly entertaining and even funny at times. But when I started looking up the lyrics and the message of their songs, I have to admit, it pissed me off.

System of a Down is a band of Armenian musicians. And these ARMENIANS are writing songs about AMERICAN POLITICS, for which they have no knowledge of. One of the lines that I laughed at the most was in their song "B.Y.O.B." It's a very liberal song that basically just followed the popular media theme of "F*CK BUSH, F*CK THE WAR"...

And a line they kept repeating was "WHY DON'T PRESIDENTS FIGHT THE WAR? WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR??"

The President fights the war by commanding his troops. Thus the title "COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF". If the President were to literally fight the war, he could die, then the country would be lost. And they don't SEND the poor...It's not a draft...They volunteer. :p

So basically, if you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you shouldn't say anything at all.

Their message with BYOB was that wars are caused by political leaders, and fought by others and that we should not be the ones to suffer for conflicts a few incompetent men started. I'm not one to take to conspiracies, but a good number of higher ups benefited from the war and I would not find it hard to believe if the WTC bombings were our own little version of the Reichstag fire.

EDIT: And I never said it's a musician's job to say something. I said it's an ARTIST's job. It takes more than being good at an instrument to be an artist. And not all art has to be political to have a message. It could be someone telling a story (for example, The Antler's Hospice album told the story of watching a loved one die of a terminal illness). The point of art is to make people think about and feel something, ANYTHING.

EDIT: And I never said it's a musician's job to say something. I said it's an ARTIST's job. It takes more than being good at an instrument to be an artist. And not all art has to be political to have a message. It could be someone telling a story (for example, The Antler's Hospice album told the story of watching a loved one die of a terminal illness). The point of art is to make people think about and feel something, ANYTHING.

You're backpeddling now.

You eluded to what you eluded to, and Ryan made some good points in response, and now you are backpeddling.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing, or more likely, from what I have read from you, arguing because of a narcissitic disorder, which makes you believe you are always right, or above the correction or illumination of others.

SOAD is from Armenia so they have no right to talk about American politics? Why not, they get CNN, they can see that the war in Iraq was illegitimate. In fact the whole world knows now, except for those few hold out right wingers who will never admit they are wrong.

CNN ... Yawn.... a branch of the "the peoples government" propaganda machine.

The President fights the war by commanding his troops. Thus the title "COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF". If the President were to literally fight the war, he could die, then the country would be lost. And they don't SEND the poor...It's not a draft...They volunteer. :p

They volunteer now Ryan. But you're not so dense as to forget American history. We've had drafts...


As for the "F*CK BUSH" thing - dude, you are not the moral compass for every individual in the world. If you disagree with something, that's fine. It doesn't mean their message is any less true or relevant.

I don't agree with a lot of stuff Craig writes. But that doesn't mean it's not true TO HIM. To Craig, it is the truth. And to the people who share the same belief, it's true to them as well.

You would be a much more enjoyable board poster if you'd dial back the rhetoric a bit and actually talk about the points people are raising.

As it stands right now, you're allowing so much of your right-wing bias to bleed through that anything you have to say musically is getting lost.