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#289344 by GuitarMikeB
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:35 pm
Quotes from Republicans:

"This is bizarre and flat-out wrong…. When the President plays these moral equivalence games, he gives Putin a propaganda win he desperately needs.”
- Republican Sen. Ben Sasse

"I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful."
- Republican Sen. Jeff Flake

"I am deeply troubled by President Trump's defense of Putin against the intelligence agencies of the U.S. & his suggestion of moral equivalence between the U.S. and Russia.”
- Republican Rep. Liz Cheney (House Armed Services Committee)

"I was very disappointed and saddened with the equivalency that he gave between [the US intelligence agencies] and what Putin was saying… [The President] made us look like a pushover”
- Republican Sen. Bob Corker

"There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world… That is not just the finding of the American intelligence community but also the House Committee on Intelligence.”
- Republican Rep. Paul Ryan (House Speaker)

“No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant.”
- Republican Sen. John McCain

"I've seen the Russian intelligence manipulate many people in my career, and I never would have thought the US President would be one of them.”
- Republican Rep. Will Hurd (former undercover CIA officer)

"Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Our nation's top intelligence agencies all agree on that point.”
- Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch

"I strongly disagree w/ statement that Russia did not meddle in 2016 election. With all I have seen on House Intel Comm & additional indictments of 12 Russian officers last week, it is clear Russia's intentions. President Trump missed opportunity to hold Putin publicly accountable.”
- Republican Rep. Frank LoBiondo (Chair, House CIA subcommittee)

"I've said a number of times and I say it again, the Russians are not our friends and I entirely believe the assessment of our intelligence community.”
- Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell (Majority Leader)

“Donald Trump’s news conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors.’ It was nothing short of treasonous.”
- Former C.I.A. Director John O. Brennan
#289348 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:44 pm
Both countries hold 90% of all the worlds NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
All the people sitting in criticism DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT!

This is not a little union negotiation over wages. This is way over a simple mans comprehension.

I grew up under all this sh*t. So did President Trump. I get it... The alternative... LAUNCH. Let's see who lives, and who dies.
#289349 by MikeTalbot
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:47 pm
That's why I despise both parties. They want us to believe that USA and Russia getting along peacefully is a bad thing. Ridiculous. The best possible thing would be an alliance between the two countries. What the uniparty really hates is that Russia is not buying their 'new morality,' and they are too stupid to understand how terrible a war would be.

Putin offered to let Mueller bring his merry band to Russian to interrogate folks on his hate list. And asked for reciprocal treatment to send some of his law types here to talk to some scoundrels who helped run off with 1.5 Billion tax free bucks from Russia, and who slipped the H-woman 400 Million..

Talbot
#289353 by DainNobody
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:56 pm
Trump would love to get some more hotels or properties operating over there ..what better way than being cordial with Russians..without Russians. We would be speaking German today..if you catch my drift :cry:
#289354 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:01 pm
Pretty disgusting HUH?
Law makers making laws that DO NOT APPLY TO THEMSELVES!
#289356 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:15 pm
Daynyrd Dylann wrote:Trump would love to get some more hotels or properties operating over there ..what better way than being cordial with Russians..without Russians. We would be speaking German today..if you catch my drift :cry:


Why would you insult all the the AMERICAN HEROS that GAVE THEIR LIVES to stop hitler and the germanic crazies.
RUSSIA was given the excuse to go on a land grab. They didn't stop germany. AMERICAN HEROS DID!

Things were very different. You should try and study the greed and leadership and the the war itself. It really was plucked up!

Do your homework, and look beyond what is obvious.
#289357 by Mordgeld
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:23 pm
I thought the story was that they hacked stuff but no voting/tallies were interfered with since voting machines are not connected to the Internet.

Our stance has been that hacking constitutes an act of war. (not that we ever acted on that) If they want to do something other than snipe the President then maybe they should get together and pass a declaration of war on Russia. If they don't have the stones for that, then why advocate for antagonizing Russia if every allegation (hacking a DNC server that the FBI never analyzed or trolling people online) so far is BS? It is pretty clear that the Republicans don't consider Trump to be on the same team as them. It seems like they would rather the world disappear in a ball of fire than have Trump be right about anything. It is going to be rough for them come election time if he is.
#289359 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:40 pm
Good comment.
Ain't that interesting.

You think out of the box, Mordgeld. Don't you?
#289361 by schmedidiah
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:06 am
HEROS? you mean.... HEROES? :mrgreen:
#289362 by DainNobody
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:17 am
Glen what I was inferring was if Hitler had listened to his Generals advice during Operation Barbarrosa Germany would have whipped Russia's ads and then it would have been over for the Western world and I am reasonably assured German language and customs would have been the universal lifestyle for the peoples not culled out..Google it..if not for the Russian ability to generate T34 tanks that easily traversed the mud roads unlike tiger tanks Germany would have won..thanks to Russia the world was saved..saved from nazi philosophy based on law of nature not laws of God.. :evil:
#289378 by GuitarMikeB
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:58 pm
From nbcnews.com:

The gun-loving former aide to a top Russian official has been arrested and charged with being a foreign agent who conspired with her ex-boss to infiltrate politically powerful U.S. organizations and push Moscow's agenda.

Mariia Butina, 29, who came to the U.S. in August 2016 on a student visa, previously served as a special assistant to a Kremlin crony whose description in court papers matches that of Alexander Torshin.

Torshin is a former senator and deputy head of Russia's central bank who is close to Russian President Vladimir Putin. He was sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department in April 2018 and has been accused of links to organized crime, as NBC News has previously reported.

Vladimir Putin at the Kremlin in 2011.Konstantin Zavrazhin / Getty Images file

"Butina and [Torshin] took steps to develop relationships with American politicians in order to establish private, or as she called them 'back channel' lines of communication,'" according to an FBI affidavit.

"These lines could be used by the Russian Federation to penetrate U.S. national decision-making apparatus to advance the agenda of the Russian Federation."

The FBI said in court papers Butina sought to establish relationships with a "gun rights organization." The organization was not named but a senior U.S. official confirmed it was the National Rifle Association, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment.






In a November 2016 tweet, Torshin boasted that he and Butina were the only lifetime members of the NRA from Russia.

Butina also attended the National Prayer Breakfast in 2016 and 2017 and told an unidentified American that the other Russians there were handpicked by her and Torshin and "are coming to establish a back channel of communication," the FBI wrote.

A criminal complaint shows that the FBI obtained Twitter messages and emails between Torshin and Butina in which they plotted strategy and flattered each other with florid prose.

"Your political star has risen in the sky," he wrote to her. "Now it is important to rise to the zenith and not burn out prematurely."
Multiple senior law enforcement officials say Butina was under investigation for some time and was arrested Sunday because they believed she would soon move.

In a tweet, the Russian Embassy in Washington said Monday evening that Russian officials had been in touch with American authorities about Butina and have sought access to her to "protect her legal rights."
Butina's lawyer, Robert Driscoll, said in a statement that she is not an agent of the Russian Federation but an A student at American University who has been "cooperating with various government entities for months regarding public allegations related to her contacts with various American and Russian individuals."

He said she testified behind closed doors before the Senate Committee on Intelligence and offered to speak to special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Mueller, who last week obtained indictments against a dozen Russian intelligence officials for election-related hacking, showed no interest in speaking with Butina, Driscoll said. She was instead charged by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Washington.
The unsealing of the charges against Butina came within hours of a stunning press conference in Helsinki in which President Donald Trump refused to say he accepted the assessment of the U.S. intelligence community over Putin's denials that Russian had meddled in the election.

Butina is a gun-rights advocate who cozied up to conservatives in the nation's capital. In February 2017, the Daily Beast reported that she was close to Republican activist Paul Erickson, who appeared at her birthday party months earlier dressed as Rasputin. Public records show she and Erickson registered a corporation in South Dakota together in 2016.

In 2015, at an event in Las Vegas, Butina asked then-candidate Trump what he thought of sanctions against Russia. “I know Putin, and I’ll tell you what, we get along with Putin," Trump answered, adding, "I don’t think you’d need the sanctions."

As NBC News reported in November 2017, Torshin wanted to invite candidate Trump to attend dinner during an NRA convention in Louisville, Kentucky, in May 2016 but the president's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, rejected the idea. Donald Trump Jr. did end up sitting with Torshin at the event, and Kushner never reported the Russian's overture, sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.
#289388 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:10 pm
Trump's mistake was underestimating just how low the leftist media would go. They have no shame nor honor, like the people who swallow their guile whole.

They purposely were asking provocative questions (with no factual basis) for publicly embarrassing Trump and Putin by their reckless and unfounded implications alone. For his part, POTUS was trying his best to avoid publicly shaming Putin on television, which could cause an international incident much worse than anything being falsely accused.

I realize that idiots don't know that diplomacy is not done for television, but you are being played by media outlets who DO know this and purposely set a trap to embarrass Trump and Putin, and are more concerned about their wicked agenda of lies than the welfare of America and the civilized world.

But here's what I hope the Trump haters never figure out; The more you idiots slander him, the more sympathy he gets from American CITIZENS. Please....keep it up and your socialist party disguised as the Democrat party will disappear before 2020.



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#289391 by schmedidiah
Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:50 pm
yod wrote:Trump's mistake was underestimating just how low the leftist media would go.
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A recurring theme, isn't it? He may have won the primary. He may have won the general. But if he (and his supporters) could ever figure out how not to do or say something just because of how the media would spin it..... That would be a freaking miracle, now wouldn't it? :roll:
#289392 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:45 pm
schmedidiah wrote:
yod wrote:Trump's mistake was underestimating just how low the leftist media would go.
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A recurring theme, isn't it? He may have won the primary. He may have won the general. But if he (and his supporters) could ever figure out how not to do or say something just because of how the media would spin it..... That would be a freaking miracle, now wouldn't it? :roll:



They could be saints who say "I love Santa Claus" and the Soros-media would spin it as Trump being racist against Kwanzaa.
#289393 by Planetguy
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:47 pm
no spin is necessary. direct quotes and footage of trump's imbecelic statements are enough to show what a lying ignoramus he is.

one of my favorites from yesterday.... "relations between russia and america have NEVER been worse".

really??? have you ever heard of the cold war? how about the cuban missile crisis???? how about you pick up a history book? oh, that's right...you don't read. :roll:

and now the liar is trying to walk back his statements after getting his ass reamed. what an embarrassment he is. he can slam our allies ....trudeau, may, and merkel but w putin's cock in his mouth...how COULD he say anything negative about him or russia? :oops:

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