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Yes, they took out some facebook adds but THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT IT WORKED OR THAT TRUMP WAS A PARTY TO IT.

If that's all you think Russia did, you don't have a clue about social media and how it influences people. Did you hear that Twitter eliminated millions of fake accounts last week? Obama lost 2.5 million 'followers' when they did that. That's what social media is about, not just planting 'ads', not just planting false news stories (which they did, but that's just the tip of the iceberg).
No proof that it worked? Trump got elected, didn't he? That was their aim, so I guess it did. And you and the rest all bought into their rhetoric along the way, too, you just don't realize it and will of course deny it.

Yes, they took out some facebook adds but THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT IT WORKED OR THAT TRUMP WAS A PARTY TO IT.

If that's all you think Russia did, you don't have a clue about social media and how it influences people. Did you hear that Twitter eliminated millions of fake accounts last week? Obama lost 2.5 million 'followers' when they did that. That's what social media is about, not just planting 'ads', not just planting false news stories (which they did, but that's just the tip of the iceberg).
No proof that it worked? Trump got elected, didn't he? That was their aim, so I guess it did. And you and the rest all bought into their rhetoric along the way, too, you just don't realize it and will of course deny it.

I'm not confident in your logic, GM. Wouldn't that also open up the possibility that this is why Obama was elected then? There's no proof that it happened that way but Obama got elected, didn't he? I could also then say, if you don't think so, then maybe you bought into the rhetoric and don't realize it; go ahead, deny it. Friendly reminder: Correlation is not causation.

Ted

Hitler had a positive obsession about oil. Much of his transport was horse drawn right up to the end of the war and he could see it was his motorized troops handing him tactical victories. His armies were never able to even replace the motor transport the lost in 1941, and much of that was captured French & Czech equipment.

He bungled by playing prestige games with Stalin at the city on the Volga - that divided forces with which he could have captured the Caucasus and he'd have been drowning in oil.

Guderian rebuilt the panzer forces and had created an armored reserve 1943 but Hitler threw it away on the badly flawed Kursk offensive. They were never able to put anything like that together again.

The Germans were actually making synthetic fuel by war's end but it was not nearly enough. Most of those 'big cats,' the Tiger and Panther tanks, ended up abandoned. They were ok in a fight but drank way too much fuel.

Post war it looks very much like if we (and the Brits) had focused our bombing attacks on a specific industry, such as ball bearings (Schweinfurt Raids) or petrol (Ploesti and others) the air force could have achieved a strategic victory. (at least according to Albert Speer)

Much like the Luftwaffe raids on the UK ('the blitz') the Terror Bomber raids killed lots of civilians but just pissed people off enough to keep fighting.

As to jet aircraft? The Me262 was actually flying against by war's end but most were captured intact on the grand for lack of fuel and engines wore out fast. They could have been devastating but Hitler delayed production so they could be outfitted as fighter-bombers when what he really needed was fighter planes to interdict our bombing raids.

They showed up again not long after, cleverly disguised as the Mig15 in Korea!

Please forgive my long tedious posts on this topic. I was planning to be a Military History Professor before I found college so boring I dropped out and joined a band! But I never stopped studying.

Ted actually rescued my personal library when I somehow locked myself out of it!

Talbot

Yes, they took out some facebook adds but THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT IT WORKED OR THAT TRUMP WAS A PARTY TO IT.

If that's all you think Russia did, you don't have a clue about social media and how it influences people. Did you hear that Twitter eliminated millions of fake accounts last week? Obama lost 2.5 million 'followers' when they did that. That's what social media is about, not just planting 'ads', not just planting false news stories (which they did, but that's just the tip of the iceberg).
No proof that it worked? Trump got elected, didn't he? That was their aim, so I guess it did. And you and the rest all bought into their rhetoric along the way, too, you just don't realize it and will of course deny it.

Wow that's a stupid extrapolation.
EX. A man is wearing a dark shirt so he must be for eating Chinese food.

Offer some proof before you just shoot off your mouth... I GUESS THAT WOULD HELP.

Your whole thought is based on I guess. Your rhetoric is disgusting, it only proves what a TRUMP hater you are . Only proves how far you are willing to go to divide the country, destroy freedom and ultimately start a war.

Yes, they took out some facebook adds but THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT IT WORKED OR THAT TRUMP WAS A PARTY TO IT.

If that's all you think Russia did, you don't have a clue about social media and how it influences people. Did you hear that Twitter eliminated millions of fake accounts last week? Obama lost 2.5 million 'followers' when they did that. .

And Trump lost 300,000 followers so who is the bigger phony?

Hillary lost because of the actions and words of Hillary. Period.

Those same agencies that lefties are demanding Trump pay obedience to have done their investigations and found that Russian interference happened on BOTH sides and that it was negligible in the outcome of the election.

By contrast, The Clintons and Obama have been interfering in elections world-wide. They tried to give Israel away once they had Ehud Barak in office. Luckily, Arafat was in no mood to accept 97% of what he asked for because it would expose his real motives were never for peace.

Then there is the "Arab Spring" where our intelligence agencies were destabilizing all governments in the Mid East, and indeed, launched the Syrian civil war, the Egyptian civil war, the overthrow of Khaddafi, and the rise of ISIS.

But you still believe her BS when she blames a few facebook ads (and really everything but herself) for a dramatic election loss? Where is that picture of a glass house when we need it?



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Yes, they took out some facebook adds but THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT IT WORKED OR THAT TRUMP WAS A PARTY TO IT.

If that's all you think Russia did, you don't have a clue about social media and how it influences people. Did you hear that Twitter eliminated millions of fake accounts last week? Obama lost 2.5 million 'followers' when they did that. .

And Trump lost 300,000 so who is the bigger phony?

Hillary lost because of the actions and words of Hillary. Period.

Those same agencies that lefties are demanding Trump pay obedience to have done their investigations and found that Russian interference happened on BOTH sides and that it was negligible in the outcome of the election.

By contrast, The Clintons and Obama have been interfering in elections world-wide. They tried to give Israel away once they had Ehud Barak in office. Luckily, Arafat was in no mood to accept 97% of what he asked for because it would expose his real motives were never for peace.

Then there is the "Arab Spring" where our intelligence agencies were destabilizing all governments in the Mid East, and indeed, launched the Syrian civil war, the Egyptian civil war, the overthrow of Khaddafi, and the rise of ISIS.

But you still want to talk about a few facebook ads? Where is that picture of a glass house when we need it?



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disagree yod..Hilary lost because she should have never been the democratic candidate in the 1st place..that position blonged to Bernie Sanders..he is the guy that led all polls saying he would have a best chance of winning over trump..not hilary.. she should have been honest and not backstabbed bernie

if she just loss 3% of voters (ex.) because of her treacherous actions against bernie and these are 3% who cant stand her like me in the first place, then that was enough to lose the election..

disagree yod..Hilary lost because she should have never been the democratic candidate in the 1st place..that position blonged to Bernie Sanders..he is the guy that led all polls saying he would have a best chance of winning over trump..not hilary.. she should have been honest and not backstabbed bernie

Proving she's a crook who has no problem "influencing" elections.

I wish the DNC had gone by the rules...but when do they ever? If those crooks would have let Bernie get the nomination that was rightfully his in the Socialist Party, he would have been trounced much harder than Hillary and the snowflake attraction to socialism would already have been defeated. As it is, we'll have to put up with them assuming Bernie was a viable candidate until the next election. Maybe the Socialist Democrat darling who just won in NY will be enough to devastate them sooner?

Not sure why they don't chance the "D" to an "S" though?




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So I do have to point out that Yod has a very good sense of humor.

He is a very smart person...

Back on topic:

To me, the most alarming part of the story is the appearance of our media going from "reporting" the news to attempting to influence it with a false narrative only for the purposes of destroying our President. They don't care if it starts a world war to humiliate him and Putin on worldwide TV. Obama is behind the scenes directing the Soros machine to spread lies that make people very angry. It's SICKENING that he does this, but worse that some people let him lead them.

They would destroy these United States with lies if we let them. Several here still seem to be swallowing the BS whole, but it's only a matter of time before they see how they've been played. Hope it's not too late for repentance then.

In the meantime, I judge people by their actions more than their words. Sarah Sanders shows us how you embarrass someone in the B.S.N.B.C. media with hard reality:


"I think the president, as he has said many times before, has been tougher on Russia than anybody," Sanders fired back. "I think you can see that in all the actions that he's taken, whether it was a [Russian] plant that was closed due to aluminum and steel tariffs that were put in place by this president."

"The Treasury Department has issued new sanctions on numerous individuals and entities in Russia," Sanders continued. "The president has continued sanctions on Russia's malicious cyber activity. In response to election hacking, we've expelled 60 Russian operatives from the United States and closed two consulates."

"President Trump issued four statements condemning Russia's poisoning of U.K. citizens on U.K. soil. [Trump] authorized the sale of lethal aid to Ukraine, authorized military strikes against the Assad regime in Syria and has repeatedly called out Russia's actions exporting energy to our allies in Eastern Europe," Sanders concluded.

"Look, the president has been extremely tough on Russia and to say anything different is just not true."


And I point out that this trip to Russia happened because Trump is going to strengthen our European alliance NATO and to get them off dependency of Russian oil. Now....what kind of dumbass thinks Putin likes to be weakened in this way? If Trump is his friend then who needs enemies?

Yes, they took out some facebook adds but THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT IT WORKED OR THAT TRUMP WAS A PARTY TO IT.

If that's all you think Russia did, you don't have a clue about social media and how it influences people. Did you hear that Twitter eliminated millions of fake accounts last week? Obama lost 2.5 million 'followers' when they did that. That's what social media is about, not just planting 'ads', not just planting false news stories (which they did, but that's just the tip of the iceberg).
No proof that it worked? Trump got elected, didn't he? That was their aim, so I guess it did. And you and the rest all bought into their rhetoric along the way, too, you just don't realize it and will of course deny it.

I'm not confident in your logic, GM. Wouldn't that also open up the possibility that this is why Obama was elected then? There's no proof that it happened that way but Obama got elected, didn't he? I could also then say, if you don't think so, then maybe you bought into the rhetoric and don't realize it; go ahead, deny it. Friendly reminder: Correlation is not causation.

Yea, remember that it was Obama who first used a Facebook software (alleged against the will & knowledge of facebook) to mine the data of every American on the site and then use bots to suppress Republican voting with confusing lies, while also angering the Democratic Socialist Party base with more lies.

He makes the KGB look like pussycats.

And of course they are urged to vote several times, with all their dead relatives, illegal immigrant friends and felons in the neighborhood before crossing town to vote there also


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YOD THE KILLER, of lies , distortion , and myths.

KUDOS!

https://spectator.org/everyone-is-smart-except-trump/

This article has some interesting views on negotiating with dictators that sound fairly on the level. I would think that the approach detailed would work fantastically well with the Chinese where their leaders see publicly stepping back from threats or going back on their word as a great affront. They would indeed commit to a suicidal course of action against the USA rather than to be made to look weak.

OK Mordy. Good job.
I don't have enough time to read all of that and afford an opinion.
That was pretty heavy.

That is part off the problem with posting links

YOD THE KILLER, of lies , distortion , and myths.

KUDOS!

Embarrassing.