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#289199 by GuitarMikeB
Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:00 pm
Fintan O'Toole wrote this yesterday in The Irish Times:
“To grasp what is going on in the world right now, we need to reflect on two things. One is that we are in a phase of trial runs. The other is that what is being trialled is fascism – a word that should be used carefully but not shirked when it is so clearly on the horizon. Forget “post-fascist” – what we are living with is pre-fascism.
It is easy to dismiss Donald Trump as an ignoramus, not least because he is. But he has an acute understanding of one thing: test marketing. He created himself in the gossip pages of the New York tabloids, where celebrity is manufactured by planting outrageous stories that you can later confirm or deny depending on how they go down. And he recreated himself in reality TV where the storylines can be adjusted according to the ratings. Put something out there, pull it back, adjust, go again.
Fascism doesn’t arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it.
One of the basic tools of fascism is the rigging of elections – we’ve seen that trialled in the election of Trump, in the Brexit referendum and (less successfully) in the French presidential elections. Another is the generation of tribal identities, the division of society into mutually exclusive polarities.
Fascism does not need a majority – it typically comes to power with about forty percent support and then uses control and intimidation to consolidate that power. So it doesn’t matter if most people hate you, as long as your forty percent is fanatically committed. That’s been tested out too.
And fascism of course needs a propaganda machine so effective that it creates for its followers a universe of “alternative facts” impervious to unwanted realities. Again, the
testing for this is very far advanced.
But when you’ve done all this, there is a crucial next step, usually the trickiest of all. You have to undermine moral boundaries, inure people to the acceptance of acts of extreme cruelty. Like hounds, people have to be blooded. They have to be given the taste for savagery.
Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group. This allows the members of that group to be dehumanised. Once that has been achieved, you can gradually up the ante, working through the stages from breaking windows to extermination.
People have to be given the taste for savagery. Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group.
It is this next step that is being test-marketed now. It is being done in Italy by the far-right leader and minister for the interior Matteo Salvini. How would it go down if we turn away boatloads of refugees? Let’s do a screening of the rough-cut of registering all the Roma and see what buttons the audience will press. And it has been trialled by Trump: let’s see how my fans feel about crying babies in cages. I wonder how it will go down with Rupert Murdoch.
To see, as most commentary has done, the deliberate traumatisation of migrant children as a “mistake” by Trump is culpable naivety. It is a trial run – and the trial has been a huge success. Trump’s claim last week that immigrants “infest” the US is a test-marketing of whether his fans are ready for the next step-up in language, which is of course “vermin”.
And the generation of images of toddlers being dragged from their parents is a test of whether those words can be turned into sounds and pictures. It was always an experiment – it ended (but only in part) because the results were in.
And the results are quite satisfactory. There is good news on two fronts. First, Rupert Murdoch is happy with it – his Fox News mouthpieces outdid themselves in barbaric crassness: making animal noises at the mention of a Down syndrome child, describing crying children as actors. They went the whole swinish hog: even the brown babies are liars. Those sobs of anguish are typical of the manipulative behaviour of the strangers coming to infest us – should we not fear a race whose very infants can be so devious?
Second, the hardcore fans loved it: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans are in favour of this brutality. Trump’s overall approval ratings are up to 42.5 per cent.
This is greatly encouraging for the pre-fascist agenda. The blooding process has begun within the democratic world. The muscles that the propaganda machines need for defending the indefensible are being toned up. Millions and millions of Europeans and Americans are learning to think the unthinkable.
So what if those black people drown in the sea? So what if those brown toddlers are scarred for life? They have already, in their minds, crossed the boundaries of morality. They are, like Macbeth, “yet but young in deed”. But the tests will be refined, the results analysed, the methods perfected, the messages sharpened. And then the deeds can follow."
Let us protect our freedom with all our democratic power, and continue to be brave with everything we must face.”
***JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DID NOT WRITE THIS PIECE. A WRITER NAMED FINTAN O'TOOLE WROTE IT**
Please refrain from your usual name-calling if you feel the need to respond to this post. Instead use logic and facts (oops, there won't be any replies from the right then!)
#289201 by Mordgeld
Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:48 pm
Yeah, yeah, we get it. Trump is literally Hitler. Have people even bothered to read the platform of Nation Socialism? Props for throwing down the gauntlet, GMike. I'm sure you'll get some impassioned takers.
#289203 by DainNobody
Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:47 pm
Guitar Mike we are not even close to the blackboard and Aryan teachers teaching how to spot a Jew..your article is baseless.
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propa ... /thumb.htm
#289205 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:59 am
Very impassioned MIKE...

STILL NOT GOING TO LET YOU STEAL MY FREEDOM!... You will never get it. Go back to CANADA. They love socialist thieves.
By the way....

Even if I die over it.
#289213 by schmedidiah
Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:23 am
It's rich when people ignore Obama's fascism to point out Trump's fascism. :roll:
#289215 by GuitarMikeB
Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:16 pm
Daynyrd Dylann wrote:Guitar Mike we are not even close to the blackboard and Aryan teachers teaching how to spot a Jew..your article is baseless.
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propa ... /thumb.htm


The article didn't mention Germany or the Aryan way. That was Mortgeld who referenced Hitler.
So quick to defend that the current administrations actions and policies are 'ok'? really?
#289216 by Mordgeld
Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:37 pm
GuitarMikeB wrote:
Daynyrd Dylann wrote:Guitar Mike we are not even close to the blackboard and Aryan teachers teaching how to spot a Jew..your article is baseless.
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propa ... /thumb.htm


The article didn't mention Germany or the Aryan way. That was Mortgeld who referenced Hitler.
So quick to defend that the current administrations actions and policies are 'ok'? really?


GMike, you left out the article header that shows how the article is based on a false premise. The picture of the kid in a cage came from a leftist rally, not ICE detention. So accusing Trump of savagery and fascism because kids in cages is the context.

Perhaps he was comparing to Il Duce with the fascism thing. Fascism is also known as Corporatism, the central control of industry through unions and regulation. This doesn't seem to be where Trump is going. These days, words like racist, bigot, and fascist are being used to mean "waaah, shut up, I hate you".
#289221 by GuitarMikeB
Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:14 pm
Mordgeld wrote:GMike, you left out the article header that shows how the article is based on a false premise. The picture of the kid in a cage came from a leftist rally, not ICE detention. So accusing Trump of savagery and fascism because kids in cages is the context.

Perhaps he was comparing to Il Duce with the fascism thing. Fascism is also known as Corporatism, the central control of industry through unions and regulation. This doesn't seem to be where Trump is going. These days, words like racist, bigot, and fascist are being used to mean "waaah, shut up, I hate you".


Sorry Mortgeld, not sure what you found, but here's a link to the Irish Times website: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fint ... -1.3543375
No picture of kids in cages - but there is an MSNBC video linked.
#289240 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:22 am
Mordgeld wrote:Yeah, yeah, we get it. Trump is literally Hitler. Have people even bothered to read the platform of Nation Socialism? Props for throwing down the gauntlet, GMike. I'm sure you'll get some impassioned takers.


I like this guy.
He gives me the impression he is not afraid to stand up against racism, anarchy, and the general destruction of America.
#289245 by DainNobody
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:07 pm
I agree with you Glen..everything from doing away with college level math courses as requisite getting a college degree to destroying Confederate statues and landmarks..to blaming policemen for roughhousing gangsters to appeasing illegals when their children are separated..to blaming hilarity failed attempt at presidency on some mysterious boogeyman..is enough to make any sensible human to stand up and take account..or at least it should make us feel contempt
#289247 by DainNobody
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:14 pm
Some if not the majority of people have not the sufficient level of intelligence to enable them to get a college degree..this largely a result of bad breeding..you will never be able to persuade me from thinking and knowing that otherwise..so many duped into believing they are collegiate material..wrong..it is a law of nature.but that should not keep them from bettering themselves by improving their street cred or possibly learning a trade like auto body work..they can earn decent money while getting high off the fumes at the same time 8)
#289249 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:23 pm
GuitarMikeB wrote:Fintan O'Toole wrote this yesterday in The Irish Times:
“To grasp what is going on in the world right now, we need to reflect on two things. One is that we are in a phase of trial runs. The other is that what is being trialled is fascism – a word that should be used carefully but not shirked when it is so clearly on the horizon. )




Oh Don't worry.....Trump will prevent the fascist takeover that was underway.

your welcome.
#289261 by Planetguy
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:31 pm
That was an interesting read. There are certainly of plenty of spot on parallel tactics pointed out that trump's regime has and continues to use. he briefly mentioned it and i think i would have made a bigger deal about him cutting the legs from under the press....from day one when when trump announced his candidacy he made it his business to go after, disarm, and discredit the press. That's what every country that's moved toward fascism does.


Mordgeld wrote:These days, words like racist, bigot, and fascist are being used to mean "waaah, shut up, I hate you".



People don't consider trump a "racist, bigot, and fascist" BECAUSE they hate him..... they hate him BECAUSE they consider him a "racist, bigot, and fascist".

Still, it is better than calling people you politically disagree with "perverts" , "molestors", and "child rapists".

say glen, it's been a few days since you've gone down that $hithole....have you come to see that BS is never appropriate? have you moved on from that, or can we expect a return to that sliminess?
#289265 by Ancient Vegan
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:04 pm
You can earn decent money getting your check from the govt every month.

The swapmeet done spit you out selling or busking, let's here a new story.

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