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The times Trump changed his positions on guns

By Gregory Krieg, CNN
Updated 3:59 PM ET, Mon June 20, 2016

(CNN)Donald Trump presents his candidacy as the only thing standing between American gun enthusiasts and Hillary Clinton's alleged plans to confiscate their firearms.

"The Second Amendment is on the ballot in November," he said at an NRA gathering last month. "The only way to save our Second Amendment is to vote for a person that you all know named Donald Trump."

But on the roiling issues of gun control and gun violence, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee has often been forced to clarify and revise positions -- one in a series of problems dogging Trump's campaign of late.

Should people in clubs carry guns?

Yes -- but, actually, only certain people.

Trump on Friday suggested that the Orlando nightclub massacre victims could have stopped the attack or lessened its toll if they had been armed.
"If some of those wonderful people had guns strapped right here, right to their waist or right to their ankle," Trump said, patting his hip, "and this son of a b---- comes out and starts shooting and one of the people in that room happened to have (a gun) and goes 'boom, boom.' You know what, that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight, folks."

But by early Monday, after some very public criticism from the NRA, Trump had reversed course.

"When I said that if, within the Orlando club, you had some people with guns, I was obviously talking about additional guards or employees," he tweeted.


The about-face came after a pair of top NRA officials on Sunday morning took the unusual step of condemning Trump's initial comments.

"I don't think you should have firearms where people are drinking," NRA chief Wayne LaPierre said during an interview on CBS's "Face the Nation." At around the same time, on ABC's "This Week," top NRA lobbyist Chris Cox also rejected Trump's vision.
"No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms," he said. "That defies common sense. It also defies the law. It's not what we're talking about here."

Should there be a ban on assault weapons?

Yes, then no.

Back in 2000, Trump, in his book "The America We Deserve," said he supported the 1994 federal assault weapons ban. (The law expired in 2004 and was not renewed by Congress.)
"I generally oppose gun control," he wrote then, "but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."

But in a policy paper released in September 2015, a little more than three months into his campaign, Trump offered a very different take.

"Gun and magazine bans are a total failure," he said. "That's been proven every time it's been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like 'assault weapons', 'military-style weapons' and 'high capacity magazines' to confuse people. What they're really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans."

PolitiFact rated Trump's reversal a "full flop."

So what's the point??

hillary flip flops on everything. Did you just wake up or something?

So what's the point??

hillary flip flops on everything. Did you just wake up or something?

riiight.....HILLARY is the flip flopper!

since you're spending all your waking hours scouring the interwebs for cut and paste material, do a search for trump's flip flops. then get back to me.

face it, there's NOTHING that democrat...oh excuse me....REPUBLICAN hasn't flip flopped on!

Wow PG! This whole conversation only shows your lack of knowledge about firearms.

You are on the side that guns are only for killing. I am on the side that guns are only for protecting.

If Donald FLIP FLOPS on assault weapons, it shows growth of understanding.

Assault guns are FUN to shoot but for the record they are not my choice to send one of our soldiers into harms way. They look ugly and mean, but this is where your knowledge starts to fall short of far more serious and legal guns that I would not want to go against. That includes a simple 12 gauge pump shot gun. Someone walking through a gun free zone could kill far more, in seconds, than someone with an "ASSAULT" weapon.

Please come back when your personal fear of guns is filled with a better understanding. As far as TRUMP, FLIP-FLOPPING, I would much rather have someone without a closed mind, as a leader.

Wow PG! This whole conversation only shows your lack of knowledge about firearms.

You are on the side that guns are only for killing. I am on the side that guns are only for protecting.

Glen...you lie and misrepresent things as much as Trump does. No wonder you're such a fan!

I've never said guns should be banned. i've never said people shouldn't be allowed to protect themselves or their property. nor do i believe that.

and every time you misrep that...you're guilty of lying.

When you employ that tactic and strategy....you're just another liar trying to represent someone who supports gun control and stronger guidelines for buying guns as someone who is AGAINST GUNS and wants them banned.

You make it clear that that nuance is above your ability to reason that out, and that the distinction is lost on you.

Certainly that's what you demonstrate every time the subject of guns comes up.

Please come back when your personal fear of guns is filled with a better understanding. As far as TRUMP, FLIP-FLOPPING, I would much rather have someone without a closed mind, as a leader.

how about we turn YOUR silly catch phrase and mantra around and apply it here?

guns don't kill people...people kill people.

i'm for stricter gun control and more stringent guidelines about WHO can buy them.

i don't "fear guns" i fear the bozos who have too easy access them.

can you see the difference and get your "closed mind" around that? it really isn't all that complicated.

Should there be a ban on assault weapons?

Yes, then no.

Back in 2000, Trump, in his book "The America We Deserve," said he supported the 1994 federal assault weapons ban. (The law expired in 2004 and was not renewed by Congress.)
"I generally oppose gun control," he wrote then, "but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."

But in a policy paper released in September 2015, a little more than three months into his campaign, Trump offered a very different take.

"Gun and magazine bans are a total failure," he said. "That's been proven every time it's been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like 'assault weapons', 'military-style weapons' and 'high capacity magazines' to confuse people. What they're really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans."

PolitiFact rated Trump's reversal a "full flop."

I don't see a flip flop here.

Gun and magazine bans ARE a complete failure. Opponents of guns rights DO try to scare people with exaggerated phrases to describe guns, and Trump is simply stating the FACT that the media lies to make popular semi-autos owned by tens of millions of Americans out to be "assault weapons".

The only variable here is the definition of what is an assault weapon. Semi-autos are not. Pressure cookers are.



Where's the flip or the flop in that?

Yod, there you go with that cold logic and critical thinking again. We all must accept that "definitions" can be "extended" or turned into LIES. This is done to make it less stressful on those who are trotting about in their parents home reveling in "suspended adulthood" . Of course some of these are married and even own their own houses which Daddy and Mommy bought for them. Who says the "American Family" is dead.

My comment was addressing your point about TRUMP flip-flopping. I think I made it clear that growth of understanding an issue is more important.

Furthermore PG, all you seem to be able to do is immediately lower your comments to an attempt at insults. I wish you would stop making yourself look so foolish.

Did you even read what I wrote or did you just extrapolate from the hatred you hold so dear? Did you just try and reach out and hate someone ? That's what it continuously appears to be.

I thought we were trying to be a bit civil, but any time you want go at it, BRING IT ON!

Furthermore PG, all you seem to be able to do is immediately lower your comments to an attempt at insults. I wish you would stop making yourself look so foolish.

no, it's you who looks foolish and disingenuous w your silly and transparent turnaround tactics. whine about insults much as you toss them off, you hypocrite??? like.....

Wow PG! This whole conversation only shows your lack of knowledge about firearms.

as long as you continue to misrep my views on gun gun control, i WILL point out that you're either LYING, or an ignoramus unable to understand the distinction between someone who supposts gun control and someone who wants guns banned.

Did you even read what I wrote or did you just extrapolate from the hatred you hold so dear? Did you just try and reach out and hate someone ? That's what it continuously appears to be.

"hatred"? that's just more of your dishonesty. spare us your phony indignation and piety. no one's fooled by it, and it only makes you appear even more insincere. i don't hate you, or anyone on this board.


and you trying to paint things that way.....there's you playing pinnochio. again. that weak and transparent tactic only makes you look more dishonest and desperate for another shooting match.

i don't hate you...i'm simply wary of those those who play fast and loose w the truth and that's why i call you out on it when you do so.

I thought we were trying to be a bit civil, but any time you want go at it, BRING IT ON!

you want civility??? no, you're spoiling for another border war! who do you think you're fooling?

if you want "civility", stop misrepping my views and trying to paint ME as the "hater" when it's you w the itchy trigger finger trying to instigate a fight.

"The only variable here is the definition of what is an assault weapon. Semi-autos are not. Pressure cookers are. "

What kind of nonsense is that? What a fool I am to expect more out of you Ted. Fertilizer can be made into a bomb, so by your logic it's an assault weapon? Yet guns with 30 round magazines are not? Guns whose only purpose is to kill many people quickly?

Read this slowly since your side is having a hard time with comprehension: we don't want rifles, shotguns or hand guns banned. We do want guns that make it easy to slaughter many people outlawed. Do you get it now?

Read this slowly and try to comprehend:

Semi-autos are not assault weapons.

say, isn't it time to trot out that golden oldie of an old argument that a spork can be an assault weapon too????

Planet Jerk. You are so busy making insanely STUPID comments AGAIN...
I saw a guy so anal he actually wiped his dogs BUTT after a crap. Of course he left all the shiit for someone else to clean up.
Disgusting, but a clear definition of you and your views. Not my job to be responsible to be responsible for asssholes like you.

You started it, let 's shut this site down, Glen and MARK, and provide a Trump show. Bring it on you further mucking assshole.

DO IT DUDE... YOU HAVE BEEN THE MOST INSULTING ANIMAL HERE... EVER.
CONGRATULATIONS!

Here is what you really need to know about guns... Don't be on the wrong side of one being aimed... ASSSHOLE!