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all these people lumping all Muslims including ISIL together as the same in beliefs and dogma, need to know about the Christian Identity Movement, do you want to lump them in( with their "strange" beliefs) with all the other Christians? think before you speak , I mean, I never knew sodomizing a goat was a Christian belief?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986 ... ri-river/3

all these people lumping all Muslims including ISIL together as the same in beliefs and dogma, need to know about the Christian Identity Movement, do you want to lump them in( with their "strange" beliefs) with all the other Christians? think before you speak , I mean, I never knew sodomizing a goat was a Christian belief?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986 ... ri-river/3

What the hell is wrong with you?

what? posting facts upsets you?, at least I am not making stupid statements like all mosques need to be banned on American soil..

4/14/1972 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1/19/1973 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
7/1/1973 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
7/18/1973 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
10/19/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
10/29/1973 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
11/25/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/11/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
12/13/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/20/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
12/22/1973 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
12/24/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1/24/1974 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
4/1/1974 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
4/16/1974 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
3/9/1977 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
7/22/1980 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
8/31/1980 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
11/5/1990 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1/25/1993 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
2/26/1993 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
3/1/1994 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
3/23/1997 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
4/3/1997 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
3/17/2000 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
9/11/2001 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
9/11/2001 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.
9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
4/12/2009 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
12/4/2009 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
4/14/2010 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
4/30/2011 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
9/11/2011 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
1/15/2012 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
11/12/2012 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
2/7/2013 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
3/24/2013 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
4/15/2013 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
4/19/2013 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
8/4/2013 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
3/6/2014 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
4/27/2014 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
6/1/2014 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
6/25/2014 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
9/25/2014 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
7/16/2015 USA Chattanooga 5 2 A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.
12/2/2015 USA San Bernardino, CA 14 17 A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.

What the hell is wrong with you?

Many if not most mosques and madrassas are financed by the Obama / Bush butt buddies in Saudi Arabia. And yeah. They are teaching that freakish extremist sh*t.

A top cop in Germany actually figured that out much to the disgust of his superiors. Obama's own FBI director is trouble for similar reasons.

This is not about religion, nor is it about tolerance. It is about national security.

Personally, I don't give a sh*t. I reckon the US is finished - died at our own hand. But for those optimists among you maybe you should start playing the game to win, getting rid of your 'cultural' filters which cause you to see reality through a lens of political correctness. It can get you killed.

Talbot

there are 1 billion muslims in the world, maybe 30,000 of those are ISIL and maybe 20,000 more are Al-Qaida and Nusra Front rebels, what percentage is 50,000 into 1 billion?, answer: not much, and you all want to demonize muslims as one group?..

I will continue to point out that any "christian" group that preaches hate or murder is going against the standard set by our common leader (Christ, who came to serve others) while any "muslim" group that does not preach hate and murder is going against the standard set by their prophet and leader, a warring pedophile.

So the Christian Identity group is an exception, but not the rule. On the other hand it's easy to see that moderate muslims in Islamic nations are the exception, and treated brutally by the rest of muslims. Secular Islamic states are able to keep a lid on it, but even they are only one generation of hateful Imams away from being radicalized as we see in Sudan, Iran, & Saudi Arabia today, and currently underway in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, and Turkey.

Egypt is another good example but the only place where the radicals were overthrown. (No thanks to American help for the Muslim Brotherhood). And in Egypt it was the massive murder and persecution of Christians that caused the nation to rise up against their muslim enemies. Unfortunately the Christians of Sudan had to suffer slavery and the murder of almost 2 million from their Islamic masters since 1988.

Christianity is not a political entity, though Christians may get involved with politics as a responsibility of good citizenship. In Christian nations (or in the few countries where they are a majority), ALL people have the right to freedom of religion because we don't believe someone can be forced to receive salvation. It is always a personal choice.

Islam IS a political structure, bent on world domination of all people. A diabolical desire of domination. In fact, the word "islam" literally means "Submission". In Islamic nations there is no freedom of religion or speech or the press whatsoever, which ought to tell you how secure they are in their religion being the ultimate truth. They do believe that people can be forced to submit, and those who do not are to be punished for it.

The only difference between radical muslims and moderate ones is their views on the degree of force that should be applied to "infidels". I have had muslim friends since the late 70s, and agree that most muslims in America are peace-loving people who don't really support what the extreme members of their religion are doing, and would say so, if you had the chance for conversation.

Not unlike most Germans in the early 1930s thought the Nazis were bungling idiots that didn't really represent the nation's values. The tipping point for any political movement is about 34%. Right about where Trump is, interestingly enough.

When any group reaches that critical mass in a nation, things change for everyone. Modern world history proves that Islamic nations are the most repressive regimes, equalled only by the atheist-religion of communism. Christian nations tend to be more about providing equal opportunity, spreading the blessing to all. Islam/communism/socialism is more about equal result...spread the misery to all.

This is done by manipulating the emotions of people, usually envy (watch out Dayne) or anger (watch out Smithtown, Houston, and Detroit) or fear (watch out Vamp).

Big difference between that and Christianity, Detroit. Really big.

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you all jumped my crap rather rudely with the exception of Ted, who never loses his cool, but all I was trying to say, was Christian Identity is to Christianity as ISIL is to Islam, both religions have their "fringe elements"

The world would be a much better place without organized religion.

Exactly what Stalin and Mao said....



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Of course all religions have extremists, but let's be honest, organized religion attracts people who want to believe in sky fairies and wonderful afterlives. These people have an aversion to fact and truth, so of course the fringe elements among them are going to be completely bonkers. The world would be a much better place without organized religion.

Again you are deranged or something.......


Ever since the 9/11 terrorist attacks on America, we have heard from scores of political leaders and world experts that "the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful people." Some have suggested that as many as 99% fall into this category. Well, we don't have to guess or estimate; the Pew Research Center has released extensive research on how Muslims in the U.S. self-identify on questions of violence—and the conclusions are frightening.

There are 1.8 million Muslim adults in the United States. Pew research released that 8% of adult Muslims in the U.S. said that suicide bombings and other forms of violence in the name of Islam are “sometimes” or “often” justified. Think about it—that’s 144,000 Muslims who openly say without hesitation that violence in the name of Islam is justified! That’s not “peaceful” and that’s not a small number—it’s about the size of the entire population of Syracuse, New York!

I’m not 99%—but I’m 100% sure of this—YOU, our nation and our politicians need to realize the dangers of allowing people into this country that are not properly vetted.

Timothy McVeigh, Una-Bomber, Waco Siege, Ruby Ridge,.. ---> ALL AMERICAN TERRORISTS!