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so, would you feel better if McD workers were still making $7.99 an hr? in california???? in seattle???? with the cost of living there?

what, like McD's can't afford it?

do you think $15 an hr is too much for anyone doing that kind of a job who's trying to pay their bills and feed their family?



or do ya wanna toss off some of that BS of how we would should all be kissing the ass's of the "jobs creators" and be oh so grateful for any scraps they're willing to toss our way?

Planetguy wrote:so, would you feel better if McD workers were still making $7.99 an hr? in california???? in seattle???? with the cost of living there?

what, like McD's can't afford it?

do you think $15 an hr is too much for anyone doing that kind of a job who's trying to pay their bills and feed their family?



or do ya wanna toss off some of that BS of how we would should all be kissing the ass's of the "jobs creators" and be oh so grateful for any scraps they're willing to toss our way?

No Mark, these jobs were never meant to support a family on. These jobs are for high school kids to learn responsibility and side jobs for adults whom have made bad decisions. I don't think the government should force any company or corporation to pay these people an unreseasonably high wage for unskilled work! The difference in our ideology is you think government is the solution while I believe government is the problem!

Reality check. The average franchise McDonalds owner spends a couple million to buy in. In NY, a GOOD store may net over $100,000 for the owner. Most stores net between 60 and 70 thousand net profit. Before any one shoots of their mouth they should look up the franchise opportunity. It's really not worth it.

When big government gets involved, forget it. Haley is spot on!

angelsshotgun wrote:Reality check. The average franchise McDonalds owner spends a couple million to buy in. In NY, a GOOD store may net over $100,000 for the owner. Most stores net between 60 and 70 thousand net profit. Before any one shoots of their mouth they should look up the franchise opportunity. It's really not worth it.

When big government gets involved, forget it. Haley is spot on!

do you just pull these numbers out of your ass? please cite where you got these figures from....unless as i suspect you DID pull them outta your bum.

ok...the average cost for a franchise is between 1 and 1.9 million dollars. still sounds like a lot of money, right?

with your BS figure of netting "maybe" 100k...maybe so.

but the truth....( and glen, we all know you're not on speaking terms with the truth)

here's what i found on the subject....

Rising costs have hurt McDonald's franchisees' profits
Dec 18, 2014 by Jonathan Maze in Reporter's Notebook


Over the past decade McDonald’s has done an admirable job adding new products and dayparts to its menu in a long run-up of its average unit volumes. Even after a tough 2014, the average McDonald’s is still going to take in about $2.5 million in revenue, roughly $1 million more than Wendy’s and twice the average Burger King.

and here....from ASk.com

http://www.ask.com/business-finance/mcd ... 118fa3c180

Q:
What is a McDonald's franchise's profit?

A:
QUICK ANSWER
An average McDonald's franchise makes between $500,000 and $1 million in profits per year as of 2013, according to McDonald's Franchise Disclosure Document. For restaurants open at least 1 year in the United States, average total revenues are $2.6 million.

J-HALEY wrote:
No Mark, these jobs were never meant to support a family on. These jobs are for high school kids to learn responsibility and side jobs for adults whom have made bad decisions. I don't think the government should force any company or corporation to pay these people an unreseasonably high wage for unskilled work! The difference in our ideology is you think government is the solution while I believe government is the problem!

spoken like yet another compassionless and heartless conservative who cares little to nothing for those who are worse off than themselves.

correction.... i do NOT think the "govt is the solution"...but i think it's necessary for the govt to represent the people like myself who feel that there SHOULD be a fair minimum wage so people can earn a living w/o working two jobs.

reality check....not everyone you deem to have made "bad choices" and doesn't meet your standards of being "skilled labor" deserves to swing in the wind.

trust me, they're not going be driving around in Escalades and vacationing on the Riviera w a wage of $15 an hr.

if you believe the only people working at McD's are HS kids , or that's the only people who SHOULD be working there... you're seriously out of touch w the real world. And people who are working there as a second job...why do you think they're doing THAT?

it's because they can't feed their families and pay their bills on one minumum wage job!


jeff...as i see it, the real difference between you and me is how we look at those who need a hand up and fair shake. the difference is compassion and empathy for those less off who are trying to make their way.

Brother, you're talking to one who needed a hand up making his way! It paid minimum wage back in 1986 and was a real motivation for getting myself a better job for the sake of my family! The money I made back then was the equivalent of your $7.55 an hour! This Godless universe you liberals promote so much is a CRUEL universe. No one is going to hold your hand pandering to your wussy hurting ways! If you're to survive you have to be TOUGH! The problem with you liberals is you are nothing more than a bunch of cumb bi ya enablers! Enabling several generations of pu**y's to burn their town and want the working man to pay for their victim mentality! Sorry bro you'll NEVER see it for the reality it is!
You don't IMO even live in the real world! When you have to get your ass out of bed every morning at 5am put up with a boss then go to all your gigs, then you'll understand!
You preach like you know everything fact is you don't know sh*t!

Once again you start all your answers with any personal attack you can create.
Obviously your view only takes in gross profit.
My knowledge comes from knowing many owners of such franchises and the cost of government regulations to stay in business.
When you take your band out and make a hundred bucks per man for a fun gig, you take no account of practice hours and property taxes on rehearsal space and gas and car insurance and electricity and the gross cost of expense of running that gig...
No, you would be the one that complains about the venue paying very little. Then you would encourage big government to step in and right this wrong... After all you guys are talented and deserve much more. Why should the bar owner make all the money?

The bar owner is not making that much more because you are playing there. Your band may end up under the expense category. The same is true with any business.

If you feel these workers should be paid so much, then don't complain when a cup of coffee is $3 bucks instead of a give away. There are so many hidden factors that it is funny when you comment that I am pulling these figures out of my ass. I'm not interested in trading insults... You are really not worth it.

angelsshotgun wrote: I'm not interested in trading insults... You are really not worth it.

riiiiight! and anyone who's been on BM for more than 5 min can recognize that for what it is...just one more in a long list of lies and falsehoods you routinely toss off! do you even know when you're lying?

"trading insults"???? thanks for the laugh ....that's the ONLY thing you ever contribute to BM.

Excellent Posts from all of you guys. McDonalds like all of the "Death Burger" feeders are on their way out of existence I believe. They have completed their task, poisoned the livestock and helped set the stage for extinction. It seems that there is Truth in what you all say and Trans Humanism is the current "Dream" in this Garden of Eden where we all dwell now. Those who "think" that they will become as gods are right to the extent that they also will be forgotten and tossed aside to linger in their own feces. Oblade Oblada but live will not go on. I know that is quite "negative" but it is also quite realistic.

I now regard true humans as a species going extinct and I find it reassuring to read Post such as those here. There are indeed a few humans left.

J-HALEY wrote:You don't IMO even live in the real world! When you have to get your ass out of bed every morning at 5am put up with a boss then go to all your gigs, then you'll understand!
You preach like you know everything fact is you don't know sh*t!

i don't "preach" anything. figure it out.....i share my views and my opinions. same as everybody else here. that's what folks do on forums.

of course i live in the "real world". try to put your petty resentment at the fact that i no longer have to work a straight 9-5 gig aside for a moment. i paid my dues working straight jobs for close to 30 yrs... some waking up at 5 am...some working up to 70 hrs a wk. so spare me your "sour grapes boo-hoo-hoo poor me" BS.

you like to diss people you deem to have made "bad choices". well, guess what jeff....i made some GOOD choices, and you have a problem with THAT! what does that say about you, man???


as for pussies....do you know what the opposite of a bleeding heart liberal is????

.....a heartless conservative.

Mark, I have no envy of you or your life whatsoever. You have every right to say what you want, just don't get all butt hurt when I say what's on my mind. I have made the choice of NOT being a full time musician and that's my GOOD choice in life. You see I'll actually have a good retirement that I PAID FOR! You use your zingers at me and I'll point out every time that you don't even have a job just the way it is!