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#269578 by Planetguy
Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:20 am
J-HALEY wrote:Okay Vinnie you win. Would you like a biscuit with that trophy?


mmmmmm, biscuits!

hey jeff, if vinnie doesn't want it...can i have it? (w some gravy of course). :D
#269585 by Vampier
Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:11 am
Should the Truth only hurt if one is on the "wrong" side ?
#269606 by Vampier
Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:04 pm
Once again Yod I agree wholeheartedly.





For it is with the Heart that one embraces Truth and with Love that one endures it.

I wrote the above and as far as I know it is not quoted from something else ... it comes only from my feelings upon the matter. For those would be detractors who apparently embrace other "things".
#269615 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:59 pm
My cynical view on the heart of man causes me to doubt almost anything I'm told by someone I don't know. My default position is to trust but verify. (Do I need to mention where that quote comes from?)

The way I'd prove anything/everything is to first assume it's incorrect and then work to prove that it is false. There will be a pattern of mistakes, missed calculations, or lies from those who can't be trusted. Once I find that my source is corrupt, I spend no more time believing them, but will then juxtapose their words against sources that can be trusted. Then I can even use the reports of liars to ascertain the truth.

A predictable pattern has emerged from Obama for example. He has become mostly predictable in doing the opposite of what he appears to say. When he says "your taxes won't go up" or "you can keep your doctor" then you can lay money on a safe bet that your taxes are going up and you will not get to keep your doctor.

Democrats have been utterly predictable liars since LBJ. Republicans are less predictable because their stated intent is usually closer to the truth. For example, Bush would tell you what he was going to do; then he would allow the political process to go forward so everyone would be on record. Then he'd do exactly what he said he was going to do, and the Democrats in Congress would act like they didn't support what they just voted for.

Obama will lie about his intent, then use deception/manipulation to accomplish his hidden agenda, and then act like he had nothing to do with the results and blame it on his opposition. The entire leftist enterprise is built on clever liars who are just like their father, the devil.

There have been many times in life where I found out that the truth was not what I thought it was. Though it may have hurt to admit I had been fooled, the only good response is to pivot according to the revealed truth, no matter the cost. It's worse to be betrayed by someone you trusted than to fall for a trick from someone you don't. For example....we've probably all fallen for some girl only to find out later that we're being played. Once you find that out, you can choose to be a fool and ignore reality, or you can walk away hurting.

This explains Democrat and GOP partisans. They can't bring themselves to walk away.




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#269617 by Vampier
Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:46 pm
Very, very well stated Yod. I would think as we all have gown older that we all should have "grown" at least a little. Often innocence or trust is considered to be stupidity. I do not feel this way however. when I was young I trusted and learned to not trust so easily but at the same time to try and give each new situation the benefit of not being suspicioned. Of course there are exceptions ... always. Your method is a good one I believe although I do not subscribe exactly to it. I think we all must try to find a "method" which works well for us specifically which of course is easier said than done.

What you used as example regarding The Black Messiah is precisely the way I feel about anyone who "hides" their identity, agenda and feelings. Oaths have become meaningless in most cases and Humanity has devolved I personally feel. We are all at fault but some of us realize it. I tend to trust unknown entities at first and take the damage if need be. Once I have established that I can not then I do not ... ever. I have been considered to be too trusting, not trusting enough, stupid, out of touch, uncaring etc etc. and often too brutal and hard but never not brutal and hard enough. I am certain there is some sort of message there. I enjoy your viewpoints very much ... thank you.

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