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Seriously - hard to read.
Talbot
I know where you can get a deal on some paragraphs!

Seriously - hard to read.
Talbot
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Vampier wrote:....Words in many ways resemble notes of music. For instance ... Punk versus Jazz. One could say that for each note of Punk, Jazz uses 10 or possibly many more within the parameters of the same count. Does this make Punk somehow better than Jazz ? I think not but of course " I think". Perhaps to those who do not it may be somehow different or even cryptic ? I personally do not like Jazz but I would never deny it's place and right to rank as a major form. To play it properly requires great skill. I can admire this even though I do not care for the form. I seriously doubt if any of the many great Jazz musicians living or dead ever gave any thought as to whether 3/4 of those listening liked it or not. They most probably played for themselves and maybe those few others who liked and could appreciate their music. This can be said of any form ... I believe. All this yet Jazz and Punk use often some of the same notes ? Both "musical languages have much of the same in common. For instance Latin is used daily by many who are completely unaware of it ... in English .. in French ... in Italian... in Spanish ...etc. Again ... "by many who are completely unaware". "I think" is only 2 words whilst "by many who are completely unaware" is 6 words...not really very cryptic. There are many possible perspectives here and many conclusions may also be drawn ... by those that think as opposed to the many who are unawares and find such as being not fun and too wordy. A vocalist uses words in music as well as notes and is more than aware of the sweetness that can exist from their combinations or the disharmony from the misuse of both. Many parents it seems have "forgotten" or "overlooked" the proper instruction of their children ... more so now than ever before. To be as simple and concise as I possibly can ... instruction in manners, vocabulary, critical thought and the fact that not everything is "fun" As a matter of fact much of what has great value in life is not at all "fun". One needs no excuse for fact. Music and words can both be "cheap and light" but what single "individual" in this world or any other is really capable of judging ??? The asylums have always had their share of those who "percieve" things that are not there and do not really exist , at times this applies even to their own physical or mental prowess. Music and speech should originate from the mind and find their expression through the ear, mouth, and physical movement ... together or seperately. Still there persist those who display openly and with no shame their disadvantages in all of these areas but I will never deny them their right to do so or mock their deformities. Ta
Chief Engineer Scott wrote:He is saying that Less is not necessarily More.Vampier wrote:....Words in many ways resemble notes of music. For instance ... Punk versus Jazz. One could say that for each note of Punk, Jazz uses 10 or possibly many more within the parameters of the same count. Does this make Punk somehow better than Jazz ? I think not but of course " I think". Perhaps to those who do not it may be somehow different or even cryptic ? I personally do not like Jazz but I would never deny it's place and right to rank as a major form. To play it properly requires great skill. I can admire this even though I do not care for the form. I seriously doubt if any of the many great Jazz musicians living or dead ever gave any thought as to whether 3/4 of those listening liked it or not. They most probably played for themselves and maybe those few others who liked and could appreciate their music. This can be said of any form ... I believe. All this yet Jazz and Punk use often some of the same notes ? Both "musical languages have much of the same in common. For instance Latin is used daily by many who are completely unaware of it ... in English .. in French ... in Italian... in Spanish ...etc. Again ... "by many who are completely unaware". "I think" is only 2 words whilst "by many who are completely unaware" is 6 words...not really very cryptic. There are many possible perspectives here and many conclusions may also be drawn ... by those that think as opposed to the many who are unawares and find such as being not fun and too wordy. A vocalist uses words in music as well as notes and is more than aware of the sweetness that can exist from their combinations or the disharmony from the misuse of both. Many parents it seems have "forgotten" or "overlooked" the proper instruction of their children ... more so now than ever before. To be as simple and concise as I possibly can ... instruction in manners, vocabulary, critical thought and the fact that not everything is "fun" As a matter of fact much of what has great value in life is not at all "fun". One needs no excuse for fact. Music and words can both be "cheap and light" but what single "individual" in this world or any other is really capable of judging ??? The asylums have always had their share of those who "percieve" things that are not there and do not really exist , at times this applies even to their own physical or mental prowess. Music and speech should originate from the mind and find their expression through the ear, mouth, and physical movement ... together or seperately. Still there persist those who display openly and with no shame their disadvantages in all of these areas but I will never deny them their right to do so or mock their deformities. Ta
Can I get a translation in 1 sentence or less?
Etu Malku wrote:Chief Engineer Scott wrote:He is saying that Less is not necessarily More.Vampier wrote:....Words in many ways resemble notes of music. For instance ... Punk versus Jazz. One could say that for each note of Punk, Jazz uses 10 or possibly many more within the parameters of the same count. Does this make Punk somehow better than Jazz ? I think not but of course " I think". Perhaps to those who do not it may be somehow different or even cryptic ? I personally do not like Jazz but I would never deny it's place and right to rank as a major form. To play it properly requires great skill. I can admire this even though I do not care for the form. I seriously doubt if any of the many great Jazz musicians living or dead ever gave any thought as to whether 3/4 of those listening liked it or not. They most probably played for themselves and maybe those few others who liked and could appreciate their music. This can be said of any form ... I believe. All this yet Jazz and Punk use often some of the same notes ? Both "musical languages have much of the same in common. For instance Latin is used daily by many who are completely unaware of it ... in English .. in French ... in Italian... in Spanish ...etc. Again ... "by many who are completely unaware". "I think" is only 2 words whilst "by many who are completely unaware" is 6 words...not really very cryptic. There are many possible perspectives here and many conclusions may also be drawn ... by those that think as opposed to the many who are unawares and find such as being not fun and too wordy. A vocalist uses words in music as well as notes and is more than aware of the sweetness that can exist from their combinations or the disharmony from the misuse of both. Many parents it seems have "forgotten" or "overlooked" the proper instruction of their children ... more so now than ever before. To be as simple and concise as I possibly can ... instruction in manners, vocabulary, critical thought and the fact that not everything is "fun" As a matter of fact much of what has great value in life is not at all "fun". One needs no excuse for fact. Music and words can both be "cheap and light" but what single "individual" in this world or any other is really capable of judging ??? The asylums have always had their share of those who "percieve" things that are not there and do not really exist , at times this applies even to their own physical or mental prowess. Music and speech should originate from the mind and find their expression through the ear, mouth, and physical movement ... together or seperately. Still there persist those who display openly and with no shame their disadvantages in all of these areas but I will never deny them their right to do so or mock their deformities. Ta
Can I get a translation in 1 sentence or less?
Vampier wrote:...interesting perspective and most definately debatable. The problem that we all have is one that few are aware of and most who have inklings of ...prefer to ignore. The water is almost to a boil now and most of the frogs are in a zombie state or just having a kind of uninformed party. Tis a sad quandry indeed when those very ones who are said to be sensitive and existing upon a higher level as it were, those of a somewhat creative nature ...consistently occupy themselves with drool which is only slightly higher than a Jerry Springer show ... and fail to effectively communicate and have discourse "on a higher creative, intune, aware, motivated, positive, and totally relevant level. Soon there will be no internet which is free and there will be no travel which is free and most will infact be imprisoned or wandering hungry zombies being hunted for sport. The ability to expressand to "touch" others is one of the most basic traits of music yet there are few here who can not get past encasing jello of whatever it is that plagues them. The younger musos seem at least to not be as greatly affected or should I say infected ? The age of man the animal is ending and only the "outcasts" here seem to be aware of it. Religion is not the answer but seems more to be the excuse for not addressing the most major of problems and the biggest threat to personal creativity. Some however are quite open about their "beliefs" and have no problem not only stating them well in the context of this forum but also they seem to actually be living by them...redneck or otherwise and that to me is worthy of note. The continued criticism of "too many words" is far outweighed and rendered utterly useless by too little thought. This to the point that others must try to interpret for the infirm. I seek musicians who are aware, awake and angry about what is really going on all around them and who wish to and are capable of "making a mark" and reaching others through the music created...but not reaching the masses because the masses are lost and will remain so until their coming culling and extermination. I have no intention whatsoever of "simplifying" any more than I have already done and in fact things are going to start going in the opposite direction now so many should find it infinitely amusing considering how much I seem to have entertained them thusfar. I have no interest in the many but only the few ...too few to be even represented by percentage. My greatest audience has not even yet been born and my existing audience is very small and comprised of the "dead and the dying" to quote words from my song which to some even seems impossible to comprehend in it's creation or it;s present relevance to the world and even themselves. I ask you ... how can I possibly even entertain the absurd notion of "discussion" with such . I desire to create on as high of a level as I possibly can and to do this with others who I can call comrades. I hope that this simplicity and repetition which runs through almost all of my posts is adequate to reach someone who can comprehend and has no trouble doing so, does not need a road map, does not need others to tell them and is infact exicted about the prospect. Ta
Vampier wrote:... The water is almost to a boil now and most of the frogs are in a zombie state or just having a kind of uninformed party.
Tis a sad quandry indeed when those very ones who are said to be sensitive and existing upon a higher level as it were, those of a somewhat creative nature ...consistently occupy themselves with drool which is only slightly higher than a Jerry Springer show ... and fail to effectively communicate and have discourse "on a higher creative, intune, aware, motivated, positive, and totally relevant level.
Soon there will be no internet which is free and there will be no travel which is free and most will infact be imprisoned or wandering hungry zombies being hunted for sport.
The ability to expressand to "touch" others is one of the most basic traits of music yet there are few here who can not get past encasing jello of whatever it is that plagues them. The younger musos seem at least to not be as greatly affected or should I say infected ?
The age of man the animal is ending and only the "outcasts" here seem to be aware of it.
Religion is not the answer but seems more to be the excuse for not addressing the most major of problems and the biggest threat to personal creativity.
The continued criticism of "too many words" is far outweighed and rendered utterly useless by too little thought.
This to the point that others must try to interpret for the infirm. I seek musicians who are aware, awake and angry about what is really going on all around them and who wish to and are capable of "making a mark" and reaching others through the music created...but not reaching the masses because the masses are lost and will remain so until their coming culling and extermination.
So I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this if you care to open up.
yod wrote:Seems rather unkind to treat a fellow muso like that. I still don't understand the hostility towards new people on these boards.
You can always change the channel if you don't like the program.
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