General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

Vamp

You want medieval? Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyixiJTf ... ure=relmfu

Subway to Sally - trust the krauts to get it right! Plus I have a crush on the violinist! She is so...well - dark!

I really like this sort of thing. Always had a liking for European folks rhythms - preferably in a metallic setting.

Talbot

Thanks, Vampier.

Here is a rambling rant about how some of the destruction might be countered through a unity of action.

The American government was designed as a tool, a weapon, to be utilized by the "common" people to empower themselves against the tyranny of those who claimed power by "royal" heredity, or more recently, by the enormous wealth attained through exploitation of the "commons". For that, America became an inspiration to "common" peoples all around the world.

We the people have long lost control of that weapon, and it is now being used against us by those whom this tool was meant to protect us from. As it now stands, they have power to "legalize" any crime they wish to commit against us.

The "common" people now have so many legitimate grievances against this perversion of "government" that the discontent is diffused, undermining any effective unity of action to reclaim the peoples authority over the government.

One possible strategy to at least raise a fight against this monster would be to attack two of it's most vulnerable assets.

Bypassing, the two phony political parties, people could begin to organize themselves at local levels while coordinating nationally .. with a focus on two basic goals.

1. A sales tax on Wall Street transactions.
... (they do not pay taxes now on their reckless speculations, though they do take advantage of taxes you pay when they are in danger of failing because of their reckless speculations.)

2. Nationalize the Federal Reserve.
Instead of borrowing money from the private bankers of the so called "Federal Reserve", the USA should maintain it's own national bank to serve the "common" people of America, instead of funding bailouts for global corporations who pay little or no taxes while outsourcing jobs to "third world" countries, or bailing out foreign banks. We could then loan ourselves the money needed to rebuild America's decimated manufacturing base and public infrastructure, without spending taxpayer's money.

The world is in very bad shape and may not even survive ... fomenting and capitalizing on this, the elites would like us to feel helpless against their plans, they would like us to believe they are more omnisciently powerful than they actually are and have us just accept the fate they deal to us (starvation and disease) ... or to hurry up and die "honorable deaths" and be out of their hair once and for all.

Seize the "sword" back from the dragon and attack it's underbelly!

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On Hillary ... the recent circus of scandal coming from Mr. Wiener has made me wonder if maybe it was really engineered to build a base of sympathy from female voters for, Hilliary's protege, Huma Abedin.
Hilliary gained a lot from her stoic poise during the revelations of Bill's serial dallyings. Maybe Huma could be her "Dan Quayle".

SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO NOW ?

Talbot ... I thank you for your Post and Link. Subway to Sally most defiately has "something" different compared to many others of such ilk. My Wife and I enjoyed the link and checked out other music by them. The music is direct, tight and not overdone ... much like a sword contrasted to an assault rifle (with night sight). I can see the appeal of the Violinist. Thank you for your reference.

Vinny ... You are most welcome. I heartily thank you for your "rambling rant". Excellent, Intelligent, well Ranted and most relevant. Food for thought amongst those who can still engage in such. A ery good assessment of "Reality" ... "Hillary" and "Possibility.

Things are Medieval ... it is just that technologies have been hijacked and corrupted from their potentially good capabilities and used instead to replace swords. The inbred scum who claim "Royalty" along with their perverse underlings still scheme and thieve from rotting castles with crumbling walls ... lording over the ignorant, unhealthy, tortured and enslaved. It is just that now they threaten the entire planet and not just a few insignificant kingdoms. Their poisons are not arsenic and belladonna but NBC in nature.

The window to exit the "Heartland" ... the "Motherland ... the "Fatherland" ... is closing rapidly. These are the Last Moments that one may exit with any grace. Once this window closes then those remaining will become "more aware" and perhaps then what you state so well Vinny will find audience ... I hope so.

There is no clear answer or solution now. Remain or Exit ? Who knows. Each must make their own choice whilst they can but this is very soon to not even be an option.....

The Impending "Event"

NAFTA and the "Opening" of Borders

The coming "Invasion" from the South

Enforced "Emergency Measures" by the "Government"

The Ultimate "Fall of the Dollar"

"Imposed" Starvation, Incarceration and Mutilation

"Slow Kill" transferring to "The Great Culling"

RadioActive "Poisoning" of the Pacific and the USA

Possible "Celestial ELE's"

This is only an outline and not at all even a complete outline. "If I stay there will be trouble and if I go there will be ...?"

What is one to do ?

What are you going to do ?

Decide ... Do not Decide ... Who cares ?

GET READY FOR MEDIEVAL ... on a deeply personal level.

Americans are in increasing numbers deciding to leave their country permanently. Fear and Distress about the direction the US is going ... with no hope of change or future is motivating their actions. Many have moved their families out of the country never planning to return. This "trend" is accelerating due to the development of the police surveillance state and the loss of intellect, values, morality, Freedoms and growing corruption and crime.

Trust in government is evaporating and individual Rights are being openly violated and taken. Some are even renouncing their citizenship and this number is growing sixfold. For decades the "rich" and corporate "owners" have left the US. Now the intellectual and artistic are becoming expatriates in greater numbers each month. Thee is a clear message here with all too obvious conclusions.

Act of July 27, 1868

The US Congress declared ... "the right of expatriation is a national and inherent right of all people, indispensable to the enjoyment of the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

The Myth that we all suffer is that somehow despite action, history, policy and declared spirituality ... "The USA is the best, the greatest and the most wonderful country in the entire world". Growing up with the Propaganda of songs,flag waving and the bizarre notion that God approves of all that is committed ... puts the Nazi's to shame.

There is no integrity, honesty or Spiritual Rightness in anything that is now done by the US both domestic and intenationally.

Engineered Ignorance socially reinforces this "Great Myth of Greatness" ...

...masks the economic decline which has been going on for decades and is now accelerating

...the extermination of the "middle class" and theft of their assets and future

...the explosion of poverty and social moral decay

...the declared intent of "creating" a one world purgatory

This list is endless as it grows each moment.

I Watched

I saw a gangsta case a suburban he broke in and drove it away.
I see people typing on smart phones to friends who have nothing to say.
I saw politicians sending lewd pictures on a little 2 inch screen.
I saw people standing without guilt being framed by the powers that be.

I watched justice flee from the land of the free
I’ve seen cowards set themselves with the brave
I see politicians ruling with an iron hand
I watched the angel of death watching you

I see parents without children who seldom shared a word since birth.
I heard the devil hidden in the preachers’ voice And tasted the venom in his words
I watch the government rob the working man while others sit home all day
I saw murder in the eyes of a righteous man and my heart sank to the earth.

I watched justice flee from the land of the free
I’ve seen cowards place themselves with the brave
I see politicians ruling with an iron hand
I watched the angel of death watching you

I saw a mountain reaching heaven of those murdered before birth
I see children killing other children and people look the other way
I saw men at war fierce and strong doing indescribable things
I saw the widow go hungry and children starve while others sit to feast.

I watched justice flee from the land of the free
I’ve seen cowards place themselves with the brave
I see politicians ruling with an iron hand
I watched the angel of death watching you

And the Earth slowly faded away

Actually Vinny, that was a very interesting post. However the underlying principles give argument for a strong liberal viewpoint if you read your post carefully.

The first mistake you assume is that raising new taxes on wall street will empower the citizen.
Understand this one thing. Understand business and state must remain as separate as church and state.

TAXATION only serves a government out of control. You are only proposing we KILL the farmer raising the crops... because if the government taxes the citizen enough... Under the misguided idea that the government can do it better. That is liberal socialist thinking taken to the max.
A sales tax on wall street would hurt every one that has a pension fund dependent on those wall street holdings. "A LOT OF LITTLE GUYS".

Nationalize the FEDERAL RESERVE...
Now I am really having a chuckle...
I read through that whole part of your post Vinny... First the only thing that keeps every dollar in your wallet from being WORTHLESS... At this point in time... Is the federal Reserve. They are busy providing the illusion that every thing is good. It is not. That is why we are paying $3.50 plus a gallon for gas and food prices are through the roof.
That is exactly what we have been doing you dumbassss. LOANING OURSELVES PRINTED VALUELESS MONEY.

Even better yet is the fact that point out the decimated manufacturing in AMERICA...

TAXES , and the greed of every controlling liberal socialist commie that have preyed on the stupidity of people like you that BUY INTO THIS BULLSHHIITT!

Have a good day!

Actually Vinny, that was a very interesting post. However the underlying principles give argument for a strong liberal viewpoint if you read your post carefully.

The first mistake you assume is that raising new taxes on wall street will empower the citizen.
Understand this one thing. Understand business and state must remain as separate as church and state.

TAXATION only serves a government out of control. You are only proposing we KILL the farmer raising the crops... because if the government taxes the citizen enough... Under the misguided idea that the government can do it better. That is liberal socialist thinking taken to the max.
A sales tax on wall street would hurt every one that has a pension fund dependent on those wall street holdings. "A LOT OF LITTLE GUYS".

Nationalize the FEDERAL RESERVE...
Now I am really having a chuckle...
I read through that whole part of your post Vinny... First the only thing that keeps every dollar in your wallet from being WORTHLESS... At this point in time... Is the federal Reserve. They are busy providing the illusion that every thing is good. It is not. That is why we are paying $3.50 plus a gallon for gas and food prices are through the roof.
That is exactly what we have been doing you dumbassss. LOANING OURSELVES PRINTED VALUELESS MONEY.

Even better yet is the fact that point out the decimated manufacturing in AMERICA...

TAXES , and the greed of every controlling liberal socialist commie that have preyed on the stupidity of people like you that BUY INTO THIS BULLSHHIITT!

Have a good day!

I think humanity has been slowly evolving toward enlightened individual autonomy to the point, someday, assuming we make it past the present perilous threshold, when there will be no need for any government because there will be greater spontaneous cooperation amongst humans.

In the meantime ... a representative government seems the most effective coordination against the domination of a greedy power mad elite, royal or otherwise.

... a government out of control.

Yes the government is out of the people's control and is controlled by a private banking elite. Odd that you hate the government, but warmly embrace those who corrupt and control it.

Unlike a previous medieval period, there are now many more educated people amongst the "commons", education was a privilege that was once only enjoyed by the elite. Mr. Brzezinski (adviser to Mr. Rockefeller) describes the "problem" here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kmUS--QCYY

Here he hints at a solution to the problem:
"... in early times, it was easier to to control a million people, literally it was easier to control a million people than physically to kill a million people. Today, it is infinitely easier to to kill a million people than to control a million people. It is easier to kill than to control...."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4usbR_kKCDs

If we nationalize the Federal Reserve we will not be paying interest to private bankers. We would borrow interest free, issue bonds, against the productivity of the American people, to rebuild our manufacturing base to create REAL goods like we used to do, and pay back the loan to the treasury in 100 years. That would bring real value to our money and we would cease to pay interest to private banks for their fake money.

Wall Street produces NOTHING just manipulation of numbers. Most trading is now done automatically by computer algorithms 100.000 of transactions per second. A fraction of a cent sales tax on each of those will add up to a lot. For an honest investor making a few trades a few cents tax will not even be noticed. High speed speculators, like Goldman-Sachs, accustomed to gaming the system will bitch and moan about it for sure.

Maybe you should be investing your pension in something more honorable than Wall Street speculations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6ZsXrzF8Cc

"A LOT OF LITTLE GUYS" ... there are many many more "littler guys" with no pension fund on Wall Street or otherwise. While some are considered "Too Big To Fail" apparently many more are regarded as too little to care about.

Glenny, you get so upset when you think someone is stealing from you ... why are you so silent about the LIBOR case?

SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO NOW ?

...the declared intent of "creating" a one world purgatory

This list is endless as it grows each moment.

If we run away, where to run to?
Do you remember "Bin Laden's hideout"

If they could imagine this for the ragtag Osama B. then what do you think they might have imagined, and built, for themselves?
A place to lay low for a decade or two maybe while some scourge scours the entire surface of the planet of human dissent? Send out some robots to clean up afterward. Then they could breed a humanity more to their liking to repopulate from scratch in a very controlled way. .... ok that may be some wild sci-fi .. but?

Should we run away or confront the monster? The trouble is global, and emanates it's power from the land we were born in. To peacefully reclaim popular control of the government from the elite and put a stop to their global imperial agenda is maybe the only chance (slim as it seems) the world has to escape the purgatory. (that is, if we can oust them before their robots are ready to deploy! )

You are right Vinny.
You are posting cartoons to back thoughts that have no real basis in reality.

You are dipping in to the truth to twist reality. I have met people like you. I can deal with people like you. I feel sorry for people like you.

I loved your cartoon and your love of violent people that are actually nothing more than control freaks.

That was very well presented. Thank you for the post.

Slacker ... I thank you for your Post. It makes me wish to hear the music set to the lyrics. Cold have an interesting "feel". "I watched Death watching you" ... very powerful and applicable. the Angel of Death is watching us all and doing so in eager anticipation. "...my heart sank to the earth" ...most excellent and meaningful.

Glen ... excellent Posts ... thank you. You have always had the ability to cut straight to the heart of the matter while disregarding the dressings. This form of directness may have the weakness at times of tossing aside some relevancies but you never miss the point nor fail to make yours.

I have come to enjoy the exchanges between you and Vinny now. His graphic Posts and "self proffessed rants" point out many things that are and should be in question. His perspective is often opposed to many and yours but when it is considered along with yours it serves to provoke open thought and raise questions which I feel many should consider.

Both of you arounf a fire would be quite awesome. Many misread you Glen initially as I myself did also but your intellect is impossible to hide behind your emotional and provocative words and therefore much Truth results.

Vinney I thank you for your Posts and thoughtful words as well. Your links ar equally of value and warrant much thought. Individually Glen and yourself are always worthy of consideration but together you both are exceptional. Excellent "Bin Laden Graphic" and clear demonstration of what many of us know ... the problem.

Glen ... As always I appreciate your thoughts and viewpoint. The existences of many now are nothing more than tragic cartoons "that have no real basis in reality"... well said Glen.

TYRANNY CAN NOT REFORM ... NEVER. Yet so many listen to it's Lies and "think" they can somehow "negotiate" with it. There can never be any negotiation.

Please understand that for us all it is long past the time to turn off the TV ... to stop believing or even listening to the LIES of the Political Filth ... to "believe" that the government is "elected" and has your "interest" at heart and somehow will "protect" you. It is now almost past the time to stay the shackles or any quest for enlightenment. We now all witness the "creation" of the world's grandest Concentration Camp and it does not have a name like Belsen or Treblinka ... it is called AMERIKA.

Vamp, the only true point a government should be involved in... Is stability.

The average citizen has been so swamped with the untruth...

I have come to realize... we are a nation of 5 year olds...

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It says in Thessalonians I believe, that in the last days God will send a 'strong delusion.'

I think we are seeing it. It's not just your town or mine, your country or mine - it seems like the whole world is turned upside down. Evil is good, good is evil. Wars all over the place - good guys? Hard to say since we are fighting both against Al Qaeda in some places and for them in others. Bloody bizarre situations everywhere.

And things are starting to not work right. Competence is now hugely in demand but scarce on the ground. Work ethic? Who gives a sh*t - I want mine. (I went to U-Haul recently to get some boxes - I thought I had stumbled onto the set of a zombie movie)

Everything, food, even the booze, is full of scary chemicals.

There is no opposition political party in our country - or in Europe for that matter, worth talking about. Asia? Africa? Everything is lockstep into chaos.

How did all this happen? I believe the answer to be theological. I am myself a believer, but I happen to live on Earth. If the Lord has had about enough of Earth...well...it could get much much worse before it gets better.

Talbot

I like this one.

CEV) The LORD All-Powerful says: When that time comes, I will get rid of every idol in the country, and they will be forgotten forever. I will also do away with their prophets and those evil spirits that control them.

It any wonder the madness in the world leaders? They certainly are controlling our "leaders".

Here is a song by Purple ... Bassist for Damnatorvm Liberi our Band . He wrote the music and lyrics. It was recently put out by HawkWind Nik Turner. This happened right after Purple resigned from the Band due to issues with the guitarist ex UK Subs Nicky Garret. It seems they lifted the isual rom an old zombie film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtwJSAEh7Uc

Good one Vamp. I like the music - however, I prefer the remake of Night of the Living Dead from 1990. Patricia Tallman was my ideal - cute redhead with a lot of mojo and a big gun.

From Area 187

Talbot

....This is long but well worth watching unless like many one has the attention span of a gold fish or worse still an "average" american voter.

This pretty much lays it all out and is in keeping with what many here on my Thread has stated in various ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ebudnWlh4