General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

...DHS has committed to purchase 1.6 Billion Bullets Last Year.

DHS has "asked" bullet manufacturers if they are able to supply 2 million rounds of ammunition within a short time period ... 30 to 60 days.

DHS appears to be trying to exhaust ammunition supplies to thwart the 2nd Amendment.

DHS is also interested in purchasing ammunition that will fragment when fired against armour steel plate indicating they will use it offensively.

SCHEDULE OF CONFISCATION AND ERADICATION

1...Constitution

2..."Government" on every level

3... Sovereignty and Individual Freedoms

4 ... Guns and Ammunition

5 ...Property Ownership and Currency

6 ... Medicine and Hospital Care

7 ... Food and Water

8 ... Clothing and Shelter

9 ... Incarceraion and Mass Murder

What does it take to constitute a Declaration of War on the American People ?

Which List are you on ?

The Watch List ?

The Person of Interest List ?

The Terrorist List ?

The Kill List ?

What do you think Treaties are ?

What do you think Executive Orders are ?

What do you think "Greater Good" really means ?


America does not exist without guns.

America can no longer exist without guns.

Actually they have ordered more then 2 billion rounds. I have posted on that several times but I was surprised to find ANY ammo on the shelves at all. I was especially surprised to see 9mm and 40mm which are the most used by the civilian population and law enforcement communities. There are more 9mm and 40mm pistols than any other, to my knowledge.

Naturally, rifle ammo that would be good for defense against tyrants is being held back until they can set precedence by amending the Bill of Rights without any input from those to whom it belongs, the American citizen. Once they get their foot into the door that will be the end of all our rights and liberty.

By the way, did you know that there are over 875,000 people on the terrorist list? I wonder how far down some of us Second amendment and Constitution loving Americans are on that list. I also heard another whisper of a directive for pro regime supporters to turn in anyone who speaks out against these lawless tyrannical regime leaders. OOPS

Anyone heard more about that one? I remember the request to turn in anyone speaking out against the dem presidential candidate during the first election. After an outcry by conservatives that was removed from the site. At the time they were requesting the email addys and addresses of those conservatives that spoke openly against their candidate. A move quite similar to the German regime asking citizens to turn in any information on the Jews. Remember that move?

Actually they have ordered more then 2 billion rounds. I have posted on that several times but I was surprised to find ANY ammo on the shelves at all. I was especially surprised to see 9mm and 40mm which are the most used by the civilian population and law enforcement communities. There are more 9mm and 40mm pistols than any other, to my knowledge.

Naturally, rifle ammo that would be good for defense against tyrants is being held back until they can set precedence by amending the Bill of Rights without any input from those to whom it belongs, the American citizen. Once they get their foot into the door that will be the end of all our rights and liberty.

By the way, did you know that there are over 875,000 people on the terrorist list? I wonder how far down some of us Second amendment and Constitution loving Americans are on that list. I also heard another whisper of a directive for pro regime supporters to turn in anyone who speaks out against these lawless tyrannical regime leaders. OOPS

Anyone heard more about that one? I remember the request to turn in anyone speaking out against the dem presidential candidate during the first election. After an outcry by conservatives that was removed from the site. At the time they were requesting the email addys and addresses of those conservatives that spoke openly against their candidate. A move quite similar to the German regime asking citizens to turn in any information on the Jews. Remember that move?

did you hear the one about dem conservatives ... well, um, it's starts with an executive order issued by George Bush
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warran ... ontroversy


Sounds like you have been fooled! I never believed ammo or guns were going to disappear .. and now I am not surprised that they did not!
AMAZING!!

Nope, they hope you all just shoot yourself's silly to your hearts content .. full of paranoid fear and ignorance, you are easily manipulated, aiming at all the decoys they set before you, doing their work for them. Keep it up and show that fighting spirit, and maybe they will send you some of the leftover anti-tank/aircraft rockets etc. when they get finished with Syria.

Sounds like you have been fooled! Laughing I never believed ammo or guns were going to disappear .. and now I am not surprised that they did not!
AMAZING!!

Only you could be so ignorant as to believe the fight by this regime to take guns from Americans is all over.

Sounds like you have been fooled! Laughing I never believed ammo or guns were going to disappear .. and now I am not surprised that they did not!
AMAZING!!

Only you could be so ignorant as to believe the fight by this regime to take guns from Americans is all over.

Perhaps I am the only one who is not so naive to think that this is anything other than another domestic distraction along with issues like
Healthcare (Obamacare), Reproductive rights, Immigration, Marijuana, sequester ... the people who really run this "regime" eat breakfast in New York, brunch in Toronto, lunch in London, Dinner in Paris, dessert in Switzerland and a night cap in Monaco. They do not give a doodly squat about what the commons are squabbling over in their squalor. They have very important issues of global scale to contend with, and the less interference on those issues from the voting democratic populations, the easier their goals will be to accomplish.

The people who run this "regime" are the same as the ones who ran the last one, and the one before that going back to Truman, (except Kennedy started to get his own ideas, and they took care of that). Obama is just the current puppet for you to to bark and growl at like a dog that mistakes a stuffed toy, that you shake to animate, as being a real adversary.

They will take your guns when the time comes for that. The disparity between weapons technologies by then will make it an easy task too, just part of the cleanup after all the wild eyed teabaggers run amok having shoot'em ups with their new rifles. But that will be some time on from now, when the robots are ready to take to the field.

Until then, just turn up the heat a little, get the pot steaming, they are very expert at directing well armed hot-headed radicals to unwittingly do their bidding in the name of "FREEDOM" ... and disposing of them afterwards

Sounds like you have been fooled! Laughing I never believed ammo or guns were going to disappear .. and now I am not surprised that they did not!
AMAZING!!

Only you could be so ignorant as to believe the fight by this regime to take guns from Americans is all over.

Perhaps I am the only one who is not so naive to think that this is anything other than another domestic distraction along with issues like
Healthcare (Obamacare), Reproductive rights, Immigration, Marijuana, sequester ... the people who really run this "regime" eat breakfast in New York, brunch in Toronto, lunch in London, Dinner in Paris, dessert in Switzerland and a night cap in Monaco. They do not give a doodly squat about what the commons are squabbling over in their squalor. They have very important issues of global scale to contend with, and the less interference on those issues from the voting democratic populations, the easier their goals will be to accomplish.

The people who run this "regime" are the same as the ones who ran the last one, and the one before that going back to Truman, (except Kennedy started to get his own ideas, and they took care of that). Obama is just the current puppet for you to to bark and growl at like a dog that mistakes a stuffed toy, that you shake to animate, as being a real adversary.

They will take your guns when the time comes for that. The disparity between weapons technologies by then will make it an easy task too, just part of the cleanup after all the wild eyed teabaggers run amok having shoot'em ups with their new rifles. But that will be some time on from now, when the robots are ready to take to the field.

Until then, just turn up the heat a little, get the pot steaming, they are very expert at directing well armed hot-headed radicals to unwittingly do their bidding in the name of "FREEDOM" ... and disposing of them afterwards

We all know this already Vinny! Except for your little visionary creations, the people are ready. Out side of that, only the sheer miscalculation of this will be proven out... In protection of a country of FREEMEN in AUTHORITY... Protecting a document called by radicals, OBSOLETE.

Sorry Vinny, that post was good for a laugh.

Slacker ... it is "nice" to know that the "government" "exceeded" their original orders by such a huge margin. I feel even more "safe" ala Marathon Man. There are no doubt many "bonafide" explanations for ammo availability ... patriots who may wish to make what supplies are left "available" to the right hands. ... "government " intention to empty the coffers of supply asap etc ... but all pointing to the now inevitable "Total Shut Off" of available ammo, the complete severance of all supply lines or sources and the criminalization for mere possession or "speaking out".

The "policy" now is obvious, why trifle with the Bill of Rights or Consitution when you can "sign" an "Executive Order" that negates everything and is unchallenged ? The general belief by the political filth now seems to be that the "livestock" are fearful cowards. This is in no doubt to a great extent true but... there are a few who are not and a "few" of the "many" constitutes possibly enough to be a factor.

I did not know how many were on the "Terrorist List" ... it will no doubt double that amount I think by the middle of this summer. Any that can for any reason be put upon this list will in fact be entered as that makes the "Initial Round-Ups" of all livestock bigger and much more effective. All it takes is a Nuke or Bio Event or both to make the swarm buzz. Then certain measures thusfar unseen with "have to be" implemented and instituted {permanently) for the "continuity of "government" and "protection".

There always be a certain degree of "traitorous scum" where ever and they are always an "embarrassment" to humanity. Censoship by it's very prrsence always encourages this type of "infection" and that is why "Free Speech" is essiential.

Vinny ...?

Your first Post was cryptic in some ways and puzzling to some others. But your second was an impressive follow-up and blew away the fog of doubt (even if you are some type of operative. Very Good. An excellent appraisal and I could not agree more. Some of us have been speaking along these lines for a while now.

Slacker is one. Glen is one and there are many more undeclared and declared. It would seem that you are a bit of a mischief maker and that indicates you must heve been no doubt a handful as a child ... and remain still unabl to ressist "stirring the pot" ... I will be the last to criticize you for that.

The actual situation we all find ourselves in at this moment can be likened to two trains speeding towards one another upon the very same track. They both have now reached such speeds and come to close to avoid the collision. Glen relates on and you have related the other. There is no "siding" available now for diversion and there is no alternate track available for "switching".

One train is being operated by the very same that Vinny relates and has absolutely no intention of ever slowing down. Neither does it really care about any one else (those it lies to daily). It's "engineers" belive firmly that they are doing the "right" thing ... most now without any real knowledge about what they are in fact doing. these "select" few actually belong in Institutions but not those they currently occupy. They are the indoctrinated result of inbreeding and so far removed from reality, morality and empathy that quite literally "they know not what they do".

Vinny you are correct in your "appraisal" of these abberations in my humble opinion. After all I have never eaten fresh strawberries flown in from Switzerland for "breaky". The "government" train is consistently increasing it's speed and will continue doing so until ????? This train is filled with pollutions, poisons and what used to be "people" but are now minions believing the unbelievable (LIES) and blind to where they are speeding to. They sit collecting, feeding, lusting and murdering ... a part of the most disgusting and anti-humane party ever concocted upon this planet.

The other is a "human" train encumbered by huge numbers of people in livestock cars and very, very slow and heavy... but it's engine has had it's shutters taken from the windows and this is slowly spreading down towards the caboose. Now those in front have a clear view of the impending collision. At first they tried to signal the other train speading towards them faster and faster. Blowing the whistle louder and longer and with increasing frequency does nothing to slow the other train.

The engine of the "human" train is directed by a few who see what is approaching and realizing it is far too late to "stop" they continue to blow the whistle and apprise the livestock cars the best they can.

The now inevitable collision is as those like Einstein and several "Ancient" philosophers, mathmaticians, scientists and thinkers ... knew and recounted (both Eastern and Western). When two objects of increasing speeds collide there is a massive "reaction" resulting which difffering results for each. This is because one is vastly more heavy and cumbersome.

This is true on the earthly and celestial and physical planes of existence. But even moreso upon the all encompassing Spiritual Plane. So Glen is also absolutely correct as well ... in my humble opinion. Interesting Times indeed.

I strongly urge everyone to check out Yod's most excellent thread on the US Section of this Forum... "Police State USA Justice Departments totally out of control". It would be a good thing to spread it around as much as possible. If you value your life, Freedom and Pursuit of Happiness and FUTURE then this is really not a choice but a Duty ... one which many before have performed and died for.

Ponder this "Rampant Injustice" for all ... excepting those that Vinny details so well. Water ? Pretty basic to all. Gibson ? Pretty basic to every Musician even those with Strats ....a guitar is after all a guitar is it not ? This is all becoming increasingly more relevant and it is a good thing that Yod has done and it is of great importance to everyone ... even those not yet born. If you can not grasp this relevance now then you are destined to become the fodder of the intended "Hell upon this earth" within this physical plane. And this isan Evil Man-Made Hell I point out ... regardless of what Spiritual Belief you may or may not hold.

These ripples are growing and spreading outward devoid of what any of us mere musicians believe, feel or think. Process this all if you can and think and discuss it all while you still can. There is only one train blowing a warning whistle and it is the train of the common people, the livestock ... the Pawns. It is huge and is also increasing in speed now. Ready yourself as both trains can now with ever growing clarity see one another approaching nearing collision.

This all should alarm you, anger you and motivate you.It is no longer deniable and it never was amusing in any fashion. It is life and death ... yours, your families and virtually mankind now.

What Yod's Thread relates will happen to this Forum and this time is not far off. There will be no warning just one day it will be there and the next it will be gone ... forever. Anticipate this ... prepare for it .... protect yourself and family.

You are a fuucking poet Vamp. SMILE. Except for your typing so fast that you occasanalley misspall something... You are definitely a treasure.

I guess Yod doesn't understand that "Life in these United States" is the one place I will not bring up any political comment. Yod, please don't post any political pearls in that section... Now I have to go look up what Yod posted there.

You Know what Vamp(Stephan, friend)... I still feel bad about attacking you, when you first posted, because I thought you were just another nasty troll.

Just to make you feel better... we still have plenty of time time... maybe as much as 3 years... to shake hands.

Before the bad stuff comes tumbling down.

I Love the way you write words... As much as I love the way Dawg writes songs. Once again... there are many things we don't agree on...BUT we don't have any willful hate or desire to control another free persons life.

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!

Glen ... Thank you for your kind Post. I have always been "afflicted" by thought and the urge to compose and scribble. I am pleased that you mentioned "typing". My typing is not award winning that is for certain. I learned to type at High School on a Manual Typewriter as I was intending to become a Journalist/Correspondent. This resulted in my composing as I typed and it has since become a habit.

Much later in "1976" I encountered some Black Ice in Canada and "drove" over a mountain cliff resulting in several injuries ... among them 26 broken bones. Both wrists, and most of my fingers were among them. This affected my typing in a rather adverse way but I was able to evntually recover the ability but not the previous speed. Recently here on the Forum there has been a bit of criticism about spelling, grammar, the dependency upon "spell check" and such.

I personally find a little credence in it all but generally it amuses me greatly. This is a Musician's Forum and most who Post here "play and post from the heart". I freely admit that I was guilty of exceeding this "looseness" myslf in the beginning and once it was pointed out ... repeatedly ... and I thought about it and realized it was most definately credible, then I attempted to correct it and be more vigilant. But I as many here, in our "passion" often overlook "spell check" and grammar. At times I purposefully mispell and mutilate grammar as di others to help emphasize our points. Of course this is "lost" regarding some but so be it.

My reasoning in all this is that being Musicians, such criticism is rather ridiculous really ... much like accusing one another for playing a wrong note during a "Jam". Talbot was quite clear as usual and we all should perhaps be a bit more forgiving than we are. Let us concentrate upon the actual message and not on insulting the messanger. Real musicians learn to "tune" their guitars without using a "tuner" and most certainly do not accuse others of their not using a tuner ... drunk or not.

This Forum is an interchange of music, ideas, opinions, thoughts, beliefs, ec. not an "exercise" in grammar. Obviously there are certain limits. All this can be debated but it seems that mor often this criticism is used more in insult than for any other purpose. This in my opinion is wrong.

Glen you must not feel any remorse about attacking me in the beginning of our friendship ... often my best friends have been those who initially have "conflict/disagreement" with me. Besides it makes for a good story and example and helps keep one more open-minded ? I treasure your Friendship as well and always will.

There is much Yod does not understand, as there is much we do not either. But Yod does possess elements of Bravery and that is admirable even if one does not agree with what he may state. The UK/US have financed the theft and establishment of Israel, their "Exodus" and "making the desert bloom". And now they finance and enable Israel to "make the desert boom". This has always been the way the UK and US have operated and "instituted" their "policies".

Regarding Time ? Who knows but for our Friendship time is no longer a factor and if we can we shall share a fire.

The "bad stuff" is increasing and shall continue unabated. "Jimmy" did much good to Post his Post but his insults betray him. Despite what he experienced he continues to remain blinded except now he is angry and blind. There are many as he. Their numbers are destined to grow and they all will become more angry and some even more blind.

Now in these moments we can not justify expending effort or time any longer on "speaking to the deaf" or "trying to show the blind". Instead I believe that we must spend our energies upon allying ourselves with others of like mind and heart ... preparing for what has now come ... setting examples and actually walking our professed path.

There are those who can not see

... not you nor me

Some think they know and understand

with bones destined to bleach in sand

Yes we shall all die one day

But living we know our way

The time has come for us to sho

By deed our paths on which we go

It is time for those who still can ... to consider and put into perspective .....
All your phone calls are recorded
All your emails are retained
Eyes watch your every move
Ears hear your every word
You no longer have no "Rights"
Your Freedoms have faded into oblivion
You in Truth own nothing
You have always been considered only Livestock
You are being poisoned in mind and body
"America" has been "lost" for decades
Mankind has been "lost" for centuries
Your children are owned by the State now

You can not rely on "government" or anyone else to "fix" these things. Your flesh was sold before your Birth. You have been "farmed" and "disposed" of before your Death. Your DNA, your Blood, your Future is contaminated beyond "physical" redemption. You are at this moment dying.

It is time to cease being selfish and to focus on those you Love and that which you believe in. Your children have no future unless you "claim it" for them. Even then it will be only a glimmer in time. You can no longer ignore or hide from the Enemies of Humanity. You must and will die or you must fight them and die. Either way we shall all die but if you resist not cower, speak out not remain silent, take action and even fight then you will preserve hope, Freedom and Future. If not then you will die, your Spirit will die and your "self" becomes nothing in this "Dream" or any other.

This is not a film ... it is a physical reality ... your present reality. It is the "Test of your Lifetime" and we are all here for our own special purpose. But it must be chosen by our Free Will and pursued ... motivated by Code and Belief ... not Fear.

Fail this test and you shall perish for naught. Do your best and you shall "pass" from this Dying Age to the next reaching the "other side" of the Bridge. The Great Dark Storm is here and growing. Time is flowing faster and faster. The trains are speeding towards one another. There is a massive collision imminent and no one can "jump" from these trains.

If there be survivors then they must walk, be carried or crawl away from the wrechage lest they themselves become doomed by it. You must now gather with those who covet the human not the antihuman ...for after this wreck then begins the real and greater challenge of survival. IT WILL NEVER BE AS IT WAS regardless of what happens. So understand that you must prepare for this inevitability ... mentally ... physically ... emotionally ...intelectually and Spiritually. Choose your Path and Follow It ...NOW. There is no time left.

We have now lost our Freedoms, our possessions, our properties, our rights, our health, our privacy, our clean air, water, food andour Future. None of us can ignore or hide from these Enemies of Humanity nor what Evil they have done. None may hide from the Global Corporate Crime Syndicate nor from what they are now doing.

You can not avoid The Great Dark Storm or TrainWreck. Act or wait for the "Round-Up". All of us are and have been choosing our own paths.

WOW... Many truths written in your words Vamp. Thank you for having the balls to post some of that. You will be one of the first they come for...

The funniest thing is that when we propose the peaceful democratic solutions that include people that still believe in freedom... The veiled threats become un-veiled.

It only causes me to raise my interest in why the far left is so motivated to leave America... Defenseless.

You will be one of the first they come for...

Don't say that.. lol

...Glen .... you are most welcome and I thank you. The Democratic and Republican Corporations share the same Evil Head ... just different "Chairmen of the Board". Those who can not see this at this point are delusional and led by "Leaders" who are "leading" them in a mad race of death to the lowest possible physical existence. Does not anyone not now understand that "Double Speak" is Blatant Lying not dual meaning ???

Texans check out 1340 on Immunization. Everyone else listen if you can find it, to the "Benghazi Hearings". Any who believe and support the current "government" and "system" betray themselves, their families and all around them and most importantly Mankind. If human... you are "Numb and Dumb Humans" who have "lost" the true Human Spirit and dwell only upon this physical plane. You are "killing" your Individual Spirits. You are guilty now and no longer innocent nor unaware ... YOU ARE AND WILL REMAIN ALWAYS GUILTY. YOU ARE BECOMING EVIL OR HAVE NOW BECOME EVIL.

Glen as the River of Time flows faster and faster "they" will indeed be "coming" for everyone not just myself. What order ? Good question. "The First and The Last" ... my final production ... one I have been working on since 1979 ... my own personal "Ring" ... one I hope to be able to perform at least once and record and video and preserve the best I can ... my own version of a Viking Funeral ... that which will enable me to Live Well and Die Well upon this physical plane ... in this Circle ... my Dream within this Dream.

All through History there have been both Men and Women, some known and many more never known, who have despite ridicule, arrest and betrayal, torture and mutilation, poverty, colour, spiritual belief and so many other factors ...have put their lives and existence at risk for their belief and Code. Some have fought and many have died while others have not...but all were enlightened humans. Gandhi was one ... Obama is not.

Scotty ... I thank you for your Post.

For example ..... http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/29/un ... ials-home/

For example ..... http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/29/un ... ials-home/

Very interesting.. usually I'd give an unknown source like that little credence, but they cited many points from sites like bloomberg to back them up.. I'm starting to wonder.. was the marathon bombing a direct result equaling nothing more than a bunch of kids pissed off at the CIA for betraying their movement overseas?

I think there's much more to this than we may ever know about.

YOU ARE BECOMING EVIL OR HAVE NOW BECOME EVIL.

My mother was a witch, she was burned alive.
Thankless little bitch, for the tears I cried.
Take her down now, don't want to see her face
All blistered and burnt, can't hide my disgrace.

Twenty-seven, everyone was nice.
Gotta see 'em make 'em pay the price.
See their bodies out on the ice.
Take my time.

Am I evil? Yes I am.
Am I evil? I am man, yes I am. ~Metallica