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You're trying to take away Glenny's FREEDOM!!

Freedom good.

No Freedom bad.

Yeah, for many it is such a simple concept... That they will never understand.

Lets all make fun of it, right up to the point another man doesn't want to tolerate you any more, and feels it is in best, self serving interest to decide your fate rather than you making that decision.

Very complicated isn't it... Keep laughing.

Yeah, for many it is such a simple concept... That they will never understand.

Lets all make fun of it, right up to the point another man doesn't want to tolerate you any more, and feels it is in best, self serving interest to decide your fate rather than you making that decision.

Very complicated isn't it... Keep laughing.

glen, no one here is laughing at what went down. and no one here is excusing $hitbag extremist behavior. on the contrary....as i and jimmy have already said, we're glad to have two less douchebags to worry about.

but that doesn't change the fact that geller's totally unnecessary display of her using her rights of free speech to make a point put a lot of people in harm's way.

i'm gonna ask you a serious question and from what respect you do have for me.....i want you to answer it. OK?

what would have happened IF it all went down differently and those two dickheads ended up killing a bunch of innocents? would you still applaud geller for taking a "stand for freedom"?

i know your heart would be filled (justifiably) with hate for the extremists....but would you then be willing to acknowledge that the loss of life wasn't justified, worth it, or warranted to make a "statement" about our rights to free speech?

trust me....i hold our rights to free speech as near and dear as anyone.

Absolutely. As I said before I am not going to go out and pick a stupid street fight. The real question should be where do you draw the line? Do you allow a world terrorist, such as hitler, not only speak but also follow through with actions that were far worse? Geller didn't pick up any guns and start shooting. That was the limitation of her own personal restraint. hitler made sure that any one that spoke against him was silenced. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of more innocents were silenced by... The silence... That is my answer!

FREEDOM CAN ONLY BE OBTAINED BY TOLERANCE AND PERSEVERANCE.

Isn't this is more about Sharia law as opposed to freedom of speech?

Why is drawing a cartoon of Muhammad offensive? Piss-Christ doesn't appear to bother any liberals. Is it that they do not believe that Christians find Piss-Christ offensive?

If Christians waged war with those who offended Christ would you cower to the demands of Christians as well? Such hypocrites. It is the retaliation not the principle that cowards fear.

Are you bothered because Sharia law says it is forbidden to draw a cartoon of Muhammad.? You wish to put Pam Geller under Sharia law? That is exactly what you wish as depicted by your attitudes and comments. You say do not do that because Sharia law says it is forbidden. If that were not so it wouldn't offend Muslims, would it? Or have you prejudged Muslims to be unforgiving? So if She must obey Sharia law, they why shouldn't you? All of it.

Perhaps only the cowards who wish to live under Sharia law should not draw any cartoons.of Muhammad. Maybe they should also have their women wear berkas and also have them walk "a respectable distance" behind them. Sharia law also demands those things of them. And don't forget that the Quran demands that they, as true Muslims, must wage war with the Infidel.

If they bow down to all the Sharia law statutes they may save themselves, and perhaps they shall not be tried in Sharia court. So if you cower for the fear of offending Islam, then perhaps you should obey all of Sharia law. It is an offense to violate any of it, right?

What cowards are really protesting is Pam Geller's refusal to obey Sharia law as opposed to the freedom she is permitted to exercise as an America under the Constitution.

look, freedom of speech is near and dear to all of us on BOTH sides of the aisle. attempts to paint otherwise makes the "artist" appear a fool tossing off straw man arguments.

this isn't about FREE SPEECH..... no matter HOW much you so called, self annointed protectors, and defenders of "liberty" and "free speech" trot out that tired argument.

this is about using good judgement and not putting a lot of innocent people in harm's way to make some point. a redundant and OBVIOUS point we all know all too well.


*** NEWS FLASH!***NEWS FLASH!***NEWS FLASH***NEWS FLASH***NEWS FLASH***

yes, there ARE wacko muslim extremists out there who WILL go beserk over disrespectful representations of mohammed. wow...whatta NEWS FLASH! and yes, they WILL commit unspeakable acts in the name of "religion". hello! WE ALL KNOW THAT ALREADY! so why, WHY put people in danger to make that point?????

that was BAD judgement and grandstanding at it's worst. putting people in danger... and why? to defend "freedom of speech"???? tell me you don't REALLY swallow that horse$hit.

this was about spreading bad vibes and hatred. spare me other examples from the left...we're talking about geller now.

in my book anyone investing the bulk of their time and energy to spread ill will, bad vibes, things that divide us, and foster hatred....they're losers. and they're to be pitied.

as for "free speech"...geller has the right to say whatever the frack she wants to. no argument there. just like skinheads do. like neo nazis do.... and any other hate group.

i support their right be the totally despicable douchebags they choose to be. that's their right. and likewise i support your right to sign on to their hateful douchebaggery as well if you so choose.

slacker, you can bitch about lefties turning a blind eye and conceding to sharia law....but that's missing an important point, and it's not quite accurate....my feelings about sharia law are just the same as how i feel about the above mentioned d-bags.....

i can disagree w what they say, how they feel, and what they do...and yeah, i'd like them to be gone goodbye, but i can accept them for what they are...less than fully evolved and guilty of backward thinking.

let's be clear....no one is saying all the above mentioned d-bags don't have the right to be scumbags. ..... just wishin' they didn't have to be.


hopefully one day they'll all catch up and figure it all out. (not holding my breath)

Tonight the cartoon crowd will gather in front of the mosque that the two deceased extremists attended. I call them all cowards. How about act like real men, go take yourselves out into a big field and try to kill each other. This is called a war. Quit involving innocents into your psychotic games.

It's war on all fronts. Especially on the streets of America.

You have greatly underestimated your enemy. I see no evidence that you even know who they are? Hint: They aren't Republicans.

yes, there ARE wacko muslim extremists out there who WILL go beserk over disrespectful representations of mohammed. wow...whatta NEWS FLASH! and yes, they WILL commit unspeakable acts in the name of "religion". hello! WE ALL KNOW THAT ALREADY! so why, WHY put people in danger to make that point?????

When Hitler took the Rhineland, that was the same approach Britain and France took. Though it was against the Versailles Treaty for Germany to be there, the Nazis marched in and intimidated all of Europe with it's bullying, intimidation, and lies.

Let's not make those Nazis angry, lest we have to fight them.

So the answer is simple: the point is to confront the enemy and stop it now; instead of waiting for them to get stronger and more organized. Do you think that appeasing them for "peace in our time" is going to work better?

Quit involving innocents into your psychotic games.

That.

I know who my enemy is: anyone who supports these groups who are looking to provoke violence.

That.

Yes I hope they are all wiped out if violence occurs.

And that.

So the answer is simple: the point is to confront the enemy and stop it now; instead of waiting for them to get stronger and more organized. Do you think that appeasing them for "peace in our time" is going to work better?

that strikes me as incredibly naive. as if "taking the fight to them" is gonna discourage them? or be some kind of a deterrent? only thing that kind of provocation, huffing and puffing will accomplish is to embolden the enemy and swell their ranks.

I know who my enemy is: anyone who supports these groups who are looking to provoke violence. And that's exactly what they're doing. Telling everyone to bring their firearms because they expect violence is an enemy of peace. Yes I hope they are all wiped out if violence occurs.

And many were lost in the American Revolution for the freedom to say whatever they want whenever they want without fear of violence, protected by AND from our own Government. Your point?

Looks like that war has finally been lost, also.

So the answer is simple: the point is to confront the enemy and stop it now; instead of waiting for them to get stronger and more organized. Do you think that appeasing them for "peace in our time" is going to work better?

that strikes me as incredibly naive. as if "taking the fight to them" is gonna discourage them?

We haven't taken the fight to them yet. These people declared a fatwa on our very breath many decades ago. We've cowered to their intimidation and what does it get us? More intimidation.

The American left is blind with it. Fear is working it's deadly silence already. They have no problem nor hesitation in provoking anyone with a simple political disagreement...except these Islamic thugs. We're supposed to believe that isn't cowardice? Sure, ok.

How far will their threats have to go before you say "never again"? While you think about that answer, Texas will not be the Rhineland. No sir.

or be some kind of a deterrent? only thing that kind of provocation, huffing and puffing will accomplish is to embolden the enemy and swell their ranks.

Please....watch this if you really believe that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXodRLLkth4

We haven't taken the fight to them yet. These people declared a fatwa on our very breath many decades ago. We've cowered to their intimidation and what does it get us? More intimidation.

speak for yourself....i've not "cowered to their intimidation".

me showing respect for another's religion by not drawing muhammed, not showering all muslims w blanket hatred and distrust, and not assuming all muslims are evil is NOT "cowering to intimidation". ymmv