General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

Zionists and Palestinians

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Good to see ya Vinny, I was trying to look at your profile and I am getting a "404". I thought you bailed on us for a sec.

PS: admins are trying to fix it..or so they lead me to believe. lol

And I love that episode of Star Trek, although it should have been handled differently.

I.e. Sulu beam both of those weirdos into space and set course for the nearest starbase, we have some R+R coming to us after that crap.

(Uhura, start dancing..(cue Woman get on My Horse) lol

...You guys ar all amazing in your own distinct ways ...this includes Yod ... for giving us a unique and very relevant perspective at the moment.

PaperDog ... your Post is very, cery, very well put and very relevant also ... creative writing with a point ... congratulations.

Kramer ... you are spot on with many things in my opinion and you are a human, a Man and a good guy ... all of which seem to be going extinct.

Scotty ... your perspective and sense of humour and thoughts are always much appreciated. I thank you for your recent Posts. I personally believe that you are correct and that the other "faction" which you mention is quite simply Reality. And further that this is totally applicable to all of us not just Palestinians and Israelis.

The Great Dark Storm is whipping up and encompassing the world now at this moment. What is happening in Europe will come to the US shortly only in far greater magnitude. The movement to secede is positive and as I have stated before Texas seems to be the only real hope statewise.

I thank this Forum for providing what is arguably one of the best in the world. All who Post here have Music and creativity in common and help create the Forum in all it's glory. I know that many have their own opinions and that is what it is all about. I take this opportunity to say to everyone that even if you consider me somewhat of a nutball ... I wish you all well and goodness. I do this because I believe that we are all about to be "visited" by an Evil ... The Great Dark Storm.

Ta Live Well Die Well

Tell me about it.

I am considering trying to find a doomsday prepper looking for recruits.
(seriously)

...Mike Nobody ... Awesome Graphic Post ...very powerful. Thank You

Planet Guy ... we are all blind in some ways I believe. I apologize for not getting in touch. Your project is interesting to say the least and gutsy. The mere fact that you are attempting it speaks volumes for you and I will never corrupt your handle again I promise. I do not have the time or tech ability to get involved nor the desire I freely admit but I wish you well. I am not that sadistic and do not wish to torture those here anymore than I already do.

Vinny ... you have been missed. Love is indeed the answer.

Scott ... Now one must be careful ... I advise you to not go onto any "prepper" websites. Before I came to this Forum I tried a couple of those type websites but I was immediately banned from them both. It seems that when I pointed out that for those who were really serious about preparing then "advertising" how many weapons they had, how much food and ammo and showing their hideouts along with giving phone numbers, addresses and even maps with personal info ... was in fact rather stupid and "counterproductive" ...well the monitors were quick.

It is quite difficult to find others.

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Yod, I think what you are missing is that most people in palenstine aren't terrorists. Most of them are women and children, who are suffering at the hands of people they cannot control or persuade.

Why do you think I'm missing that?

But, unfortunately, they had elections in Gaza and overwhelmingly chose Hamas (violence). Now they shouldn't be surprised when they get what they asked for.

They are being oppressed by the terrorists running Gaza. Maybe after this, they will finally be free of them.

If I lived in the same neighborhood as you, and decided to blow up every corporate office in town because I hate corporations, is it safe to assume that you must also be a terrorist because you live in my neighborhood?

If I vote you in as my leader after knowing that? Yes!

It's never going to be black and white, and I get that, but consider that most of the people there on both sides want peace.

I wish that were true. Maybe there wouldn't have been 800 rockets & mortars fired into civilian areas, if someone "wants peace" enough to stop it.

But firing missiles into Israel and then acting surprised about the consequences is like stabbing someone and expecting them not to bleed.






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... Yod ... 800 rockets ? ... let us be clear ... the IDF classifies "mortars" as "rockets".

Call 'em what you wish....they are intended to kill innocent civilians.

You condone mortars but not rockets, right? Duly noted.

As Kramer stated so well if Israel has it's blockades, policestate policies and retributive murder ... hao are the supposed "rockets" getting in ?

When did you stop beating your wife?

Gaza was a ghetto reminiscent of the Warsaw Ghetto before this lastest Fooray of Evil and demonstration of Israel's capacity to murder.

1. No, it is not and was not ever comparable to the Warsaw Ghetto. Obviously, you really don't have a clue about either.

2. The government of Gaza is Hamas, not Israel. Has been for more than 6 years now. Even before they were the legitimate government they were running it like a slumlord. That's why Egypt didn't want it when Israel gave the Sinai back. Did you miss that in your rush to blame the jews?

Can you say ZIONIST ISRAEL LIES< MURDERS AND DOES GREAT EVIL

or HYPOCRITE ?

I can say anyone who thinks Israel should not respond to this invitation to dance is a hypocrite, yes.

Can you say HAMAS lies and murders?


Are there some zionists who lie? The liars who happen to be zionists don't define what Zionists is anymore than the liars in DC define who all Americans are.

Unfortunately Israel is facing Hamas today, proven liars and proud bloodthirsty murderers, recognized as terrorist organization by civilized nations of the world.

Yod you are riding a dead horse and it stinks. Get another handle. The internet has informed, exposed and verifies the Evil being done to Palestine by Israel ... the Apartheid.

There you go passing on proven lies again. Do you know what that makes you?

Go stand beside Hamas. You won't last a second before they indiscriminately kill you too.

I am done with you, your repetitive whining and propaganda which possesses no critical or original thought and I do wish you well as youwill need it for what is coming. Yes you are entitled to your "thoughts" and I am as well. For me you are not Evil ... you are simply Yod.

What a fool you are proving yourself to be? You should stop while there is a shred of credibility to your empty words. It might already be too late.

No, Hamas and the other terrorists you are so enamored with are the ones who need to look at the perspective of others.

Like innocent people living in southern Israel, and the citizens of Gaza that they are endangering.

Obviously you are blind to suffering they cause both Palestinians and Israelis. Sad.



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Peace is impossible.
Get it over with and duke it out so we can be done with it.
The whole region is a giant black hole for the tax payer dollars.
" one way or another this darkness has to give "
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Debating such a topic on the internet is so stupid.
It can not solve anything and can only build resentment.
Only when the sides are face to face can anything be resolved. Semi-Anonymous ranting on a back water MUSIC forum is just that.
I would much prefer to hear about the Vamps Star Wars days and Yod's world travels then waste our time bickering over things that are beyond our control.
Shame on both sides.
Again .02$

Truth matters to me. Confronting lies is the only acceptable response. Silence is tacit approval.

The Jewish people have suffered the libel of ignorant hateful idiots since forever. I grew up in a town known for these kinds of people. They are a stench on humanity, spreading fear with their delusions.

I wasn't quiet then, and I won't be silent now. Prejudice is wrong and it leads to exactly what is happening now.




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Yod you have to work on presenting it in a different fashion because your coming off like a zealot.

It's ok to be emotional about something but too much and you just appear weak minded.

Vamp is a little cooler about it and thus it's easier to digest.

If you really want to make a difference, may I suggest military service either here or in Israel.

(no offense intended)

...MEMBERS OF HAMAS ARE THE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. DOZENS OF THESE ELECTED LEADERS HAVE BEEN KIDNAPPED AND HELD IN ISRAELI PRISONS WITHOUT CHARGE. OTHERS HAVE BEEN TARGETED FOR ASSASSINATION LIKE NIZAR RAYAN. TO KILL HIM ISRAEL TARGETED A RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT BUILDING. THE STRIKE KILLED RAYAN ... 2 OF HIS WIVES ... 4 OF HIS CHILDREN AND 6 OTHERS.MOST RECENTLY ISRAEL ASSASSINATED A LEADER OF HAMAS AND HIS SON WHILE HEY DROVE DOWN THE STREET. THIS LEADER HAD BEEN WORKING ON A PEACE PLAN FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND HAD IT WITH HIM WHEN HE WAS MURDERED.

Yod ... by your statement you must have voted for Obama. "...stabbing someone and expecting them not to bleed" ... is that like murdering, stealing and breaking the word of God and not expecting his Blessing ?

Yod ... if you would have read my Post without your Zionist glasses on and your mind closed down then you would have read that I actually did state in the same Post you refer to ..."It is indeed criminal to fire mortars "indiscrimanently" into Israel."

DULY NOTE THAT\\

I would never beat my wife but I could kick your ass if I ever had too. Why do you resort to such childishness ? I surmise Desperation.

Before you speak I suggest that you think or read or do a little research other than to parphrase your very own words ....consulting the "Zionist HandBook FOR Idiots" Now I shall address the matter of my comparing the Warsaw Ghetto to the Gaza Ghetto or "slum" as you seem to like to refer to it.

Warsaw Ghetto was Nazi Occupied and Gaza is Israeli Occupied.

Warsaw Ghetto was the largest of all Jewish Ghettos and Gaza has the largest concentration of Palestinians in the world within it.

Warsaw Ghetto had a huge population crammed into a small area.
Gaza has a huge population crammed into a small area.

Jews were rounded up and herded and kept in the Warsaw Ghetto.
Palestinians were rounded up and herded and kept in Gaza.

The Nazis closed the Warsaw Ghetto to the outside world.
The Israelis have closed Gaza to the outside world.

Warsaw Ghetto was surrounded by walls and barbed wire.
Gaza is surrounded by wals and barbed wire.

Escapees from the Warsaw Ghetto were shot on sight.
Israelis created a Special Security Zone in Gaza where anyone in that zone is shot on sight.

Warsaw Ghetto Borders were changed many times.
Gaza's Borders have been changed many times.

The Warsaw Ghetto was divided excluding certain areas.
Gaza is divided excluding certain areas.

Also in the Warsaw Ghetto food and medicl supplies were rationed...Unemployment was a major problem ... "illegal" goods were sold "illegally" on the outside and raw goods were smuggled in. Smuggling was often the only source of subsistance for Warsaw Ghetto inhabitants. Despite grave hardships imposed by the Nazis the Warsaw Ghetto was rich with culture conducted by underground organizations.

There were random killings all the time by the Nazis. There was a ressistence in the Warsaw Ghetto.

IN THE END the Nazis entered with several thousand troops and systematically burned and blew up the Ghetto buildings block by block. The Nazis rounded up and murdered anyone they could ... women and children included.

You refer to Invitation ? Does this mean please invade me ?

Your statement on Lying ... Zionists, D.C. and political filth clearly shows you to be a total propaganda victim or operative ?

I am sorry I thought Hamas is currently being murdered by the Apartheid Regime of Israel who is recognized and condemned as such by International Laws, Organizations and "civilized" Nations.

Calling me a Liar does nothing for your credibility and declares your frustration and desperation and your inability to perceive Truth and recognize Evil

Calling me a Fool is merely yet another indication of your desperate groping in blindness. Insult is now starting to become you.

I do suggest also that you trade your cowboy hat for a stahlhelm and go live in Gaza for a time and also remove your Zionist Goggles.

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... Dead Guitars ... I thank you for your Posts. Peace is not impossible but it is improbable in most instances ... but in this case I readily agree with you. In previous Posts I say this in so many words ... that the only way it will be resolved is when Israel does what is it's nature to do ... decimate Palestine as a people and nation. Why ? because Israel "just wants a country of their own and what they have is not big enough for them and they desire Palestine...and I personally believe it will not end there. Once they have destroyed Palestine however reality will set in I feel and the "factor" that Scott refers to will be that "Reality".

There is however no need to simply through open the Door to Death and Evil... this is all part of the "test" and "purpose" as to why we are all here at this moment in time ... I feel. You are correct in many ways about debating such a topic on the internet ... even as being stupid. But in other ways I think there may be some things of value in doing so ... the internet reaches many people quickly on a level which simple face to face debate does not compare ie quoting references and articles and such things. Also it all can be reffered to later.

It also allows within this Forum debate, disagreement and delerium without any blood. This creates thought which may not otherwise happen and of which some no doubt will have a positive nature... Forum ... Debate ... Thought..a wonderful and ancient process with modern application.

As Yod has stated himself "nothing personal" this Forum is unique and most certainly not at all "Backwater" . It isInternational and followed by many more than those who Post here. Those on it are creative, intelligent andArtistic ... a cut above many of the drones. Of course this is open to debate as well ... which is the beauty of the process.

StarWars ... I do not think that anyone who worked on that film ever realized that it would become what it has. Possibly Lucas and some of the upper insiders who were privy to much that the rest of us were not ...I do not know.

I helped build the Millenium Falcon. I was in the Garbage Chute Scenes ... in StormTrooper Armour. Slacker makes funny comment on that in an earlier Post. Later I worked on The Empire Strikes Back as a Starship Captain for Darth Vader... I am actually seenas a hologram with other captains that are summoned by Vader.

There are always many funny moments and interesting things that happen on each film but Star Wars was a bit different in that it was not forseen to become what it has.


Ta Live Well Die Well

I helped build the Millenium Falcon. I was in the Garbage Chute Scenes ... in StormTrooper Armour. Slacker makes funny comment on that in an earlier Post. Later I worked on The Empire Strikes Back as a Starship Captain for Darth Vader... I am actually seenas a hologram with other captains that are summoned by Vader.

There are always many funny moments and interesting things that happen on each film but Star Wars was a bit different in that it was not forseen to become what it has.


Ta Live Well Die Well

Very cool experiences you have had.
Great Movie. I will look for you !
Good luck in the future.

vamp,

I didn't think I would have to say this, but
pictures or it didn't happen